Australia considers fast-track visas for white South African farmers

[schwarzkopf]

Doesn't Australia have a huge problem with boat people seeking asylum and being denied it? Why is this crisis more deserving than others?

Australia has one of the largest per capita UNHCR refugee intakes in the world.
The reason Australia has taken action against boat people specifically is for humanitarian reasons ... to stop refugees DYING at the hands of CRIMINALS.

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If by "look at on a case by case basis", you mean "throw the claims in the bin and lock them up on an off-shore detention centre for years without making any effort to help them", sure.

You are confusing refugees with illegal immigrants... please be reasonable and rational.

[Nalorakk]

Yes, the Australian Liberals are the more classic liberals who believe in individualism, capitalism and free speech. They are opposite to the US liberals who are progressive left. Australian Liberals are not as far right as Republicans, they are closer to the UK Tories. Sadly, the current leader Turnball is a progressive and he is trying to drag the party left.

Yikes, do you honestly think he's trying to make the Libs go left?

Turnbull is a neoliberal through and through, but he had progressive social leanings. Keyword: HAD.

When he sold his soul to the puppeteers for becoming PM, he's been nothing but an Abbott clone with a fist wedged even further up his ass.

[Jakexe]

Possible? They get killed pretty damn frequently and its rather ghoulish murders. Moreover, they are murders based on race.

So were the Rohingya, didn't help their case at all. I'd just like some consistency.

Personally, I'd prefer to see immigration shut down except for minimal refugees, and use the money to retrain and support the Australian people for the upcoming challenges our under trained nation will face in the near future. I'd prefer to see trade schools again instead of seeing companies rort the visa programs to deny Aussie's jobs and training.

[Theodarzna]

So were the Rohingya, didn't help their case at all. I'd just like some consistency.

Personally, I'd prefer to see immigration shut down except for minimal refugees, and use the money to retrain and support the Australian people for the upcoming challenges our under trained nation will face in the near future. I'd prefer to see trade schools again instead of seeing companies rort the visa programs to deny Aussie's jobs and training.

Well, the point about being a perfect fit may also be that they speak English as is, and the Rohingya don't.

[Torto]

Doesn't Australia have a huge problem with boat people seeking asylum and being denied it? Why is this crisis more deserving than others?

Because we don't have an armada of white South African farmers trying to enter the country illegally by boat.

BTW, the boat crisis ended several years ago when the conservatives stopped the boat smugglers. It's why we had Europeans coming to us for advice on how to stop the illegal migrant trade crossing the Mediterranean.

[Mic_128]

Doesn't Australia have a huge problem with boat people seeking asylum and being denied it? Why is this crisis more deserving than others?

Because of the "horrific circumstance [white farmers] face" in South Africa, because of the headline figure of one murder a week, along with the other reports of shocking violence in the Daily Telegraph.

Of course, the Rohingya's are getting slaughtered to the tune of on average 6700 dead in one month in Myanmar from targeted attacks, which the UN have said is a textbook case of ethnic clensing...but nah. They aren't worth helping out.

BTW, the boat crisis ended several years ago when the conservatives stopped the boat smugglers.

Yeah, something about indefinite detainment, resettlement to countries that the locals don't want, deals between those countries falling apart, leaving people in limbo, being denied water, food, medicine and being accused of human rights abuse by the UN...oh, and denying other countries that do want to take them in from doing so.

[Nalorakk]

You are confusing refugees with illegal immigrants... please be reasonable and rational.

The line between those two things is a government stamp of approval which our government hasn't put in much effort in recent times to maintain.

[Sky High]

Because of the "horrific circumstance [white farmers] face" in South Africa, because of the headline figure of one murder a week, along with the other reports of shocking violence in the Daily Telegraph.

Of course, the Rohingya's are getting slaughtered to the tune of on average 6700 dead in one month in Myanmar from targeted attacks, which the UN have said is a textbook case of ethnic clensing...but nah. They aren't worth helping out.

Well they’re Muslims so of course we need to worry about their eventual take over of the west and not the their immediate slaughtering, silly!

[Torto]

Yikes, do you honestly think he's trying to make the Libs go left?

Turnbull is a neoliberal through and through, but he had progressive social leanings. Keyword: HAD.

When he sold his soul to the puppeteers for becoming PM, he's been nothing but an Abbott clone with a fist wedged even further up his ass.

Yet somehow he got gay marriage through parliament.

[schwarzkopf]

The line between those two things is..

That the illegal immigrants were dying by the thousand every year at the hands of criminals.

Whilst refugees were not.

Very clear and simple distinction.

[Nalorakk]

Yet somehow he got gay marriage through parliament.

Are you aware just how long that debate has been going? It started long before Turnbull took power, and alongside his party, he tried to deflect it with the waste of $122m postal survey.

It was not him who did it, it was the culmination of a very hot debate and he just happened to be the one the responsibility fell on.

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That the illegal immigrants were dying by the thousand every year at the hands of criminals.

Whilst refugees were not.

Very clear and simple distinction.

Many refugees that were locked up in Manus and Nauru came by boat, they just happened to be the ones that didn't drown at sea.

[Torto]

Because of the "horrific circumstance [white farmers] face" in South Africa, because of the headline figure of one murder a week, along with the other reports of shocking violence in the Daily Telegraph.

Of course, the Rohingya's are getting slaughtered to the tune of on average 6700 dead in one month in Myanmar from targeted attacks, which the UN have said is a textbook case of ethnic clensing...but nah. They aren't worth helping out.

Yeah, something about indefinite detainment, resettlement to countries that the locals don't want, deals between those countries falling apart, leaving people in limbo, being denied water, food, medicine and being accused of human rights abuse by the UN...oh, and denying other countries that do want to take them in from doing so.

They are free to go back to where they come from at any time. The government has even offered to pay the airfare. It is their choice to stay in limbo, they can go wherever they like except Australia. The Australian people have made it quite clear, we don't want them here. We tolerate a lot, but we will not tolerate queue jumpers and illegal economic migrants looking for welfare cheques.

[Jakexe]

Well, the point about being a perfect fit may also be that they speak English as is, and the Rohingya don't.

So lives that speak your language and look like you are the ones worth saving over the ones that don't?

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They are free to go back to where they come from at any time. The government has even offered to pay the airfare. It is their choice to stay in limbo, they can go wherever they like except Australia. The Australian people have made it quite clear, we don't want them here. We tolerate a lot, but we will not tolerate queue jumpers and illegal economic migrants looking for welfare cheques.

See, Dutton appeals to people like this.

[Nalorakk]

They are free to go back to where that come from at any time. The government has even offered to pay the airfare. It is their choice to stay in limbo, they can go wherever they like except Australia. The Australian people have made it quite clear, we don't want them here. We tolerate a lot, but we will not tolerate queue jumpers and illegal economic migrants looking for welfare cheques.

You don't speak for me :]

You don't speak for the many people who reject your claims. The millions of dollars a year that get poured into forcing religion onto the rest of Australians would be much better used to support these people who had to flee their country.

[schwarzkopf]

Many refugees that were locked up in Manus and Nauru came by boat.

Yep - it is called picking the least offensive policy. Save thousands of lives and in exchange don't allow ANY boat people into Australia.

Destroy the criminal's business model - and they stopped getting 'customers'. Customers by the way who would pay $10000+ for the transport.

[Torto]

See, Dutton appeals to people like this.

Dutton should be Prime Minister, he is the only politician we have that has any balls.

[Themius]

"omg tens of white farmers are at risk!!! we need to save them! fuck those thousands of other people dying... i mean white farmers man!"

[Nalorakk]

Yep - it is called picking the least offensive policy. Save thousands of lives and in exchange don't allow ANY boat people into Australia.

Destroy the criminal's business model - and they stopped getting 'customers'. Customers by the way who would pay $10000+ for the transport.

Lemme just point back to the semantic debate regarding your distinction between 'refugee' and 'illegal immigrant'.

You're classifying different people in the same group based on whether or not they were exploited. They were all exploited, every last one of them and instead of attempting to help, our govt locked them up in detention without a hope in hell of getting help.

[Jakexe]

Dutton should be Prime Minister, he is the only politician we have that has any balls.

Thanks for proving my point further. You've been quite useful today, cheers.

[Mic_128]

They are free to go back to where they come from at any time. The government has even offered to pay the airfare. It is their choice to stay in limbo, they can go wherever they like except Australia.

They cannot go "whereever they like except australia." If that was the case there wouldn't be an issue with New Zealand wanting to take them and the Australia government telling them they can't.

Also they can't "go back to where they came from" without being killed as that is why they left! It wasn't a case of they wanted to travel. They fled because to stay meant death.

The Australian people have made it quite clear, we don't want them here. We tolerate a lot, but we will not tolerate queue jumpers and illegal economic migrants looking for welfare cheques.

1) "The Australian people" has also made it quite clear that we aren't happy with the current situation on Manus Island. It's deplorable.
2) If we don't tolerate queue jumpers, why is Dutton wanting to bring in a group specifically to jump the queue?
3) They come here looking for work, to support for their families, not for a free handout.
3.1) You may not begin claiming that we don't want them here because "They'll take all the jobs!"