Immigration: let's learn from Japan

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Because market capitalism as an economic system is contingent on persistent economic growth, which means population growth.

So either you find a new economic system, or you do what's necessary to keep it functioning.

That's overly simplistic not to mention there are other ways to achieve economic growth other than importing illiterate middle eastern and African immigrants.

It's frankly a terrible idea to simply fill the country with immigrants and then rejoice at the increase in GDP and proclaim the economy is doing better.

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No it isn't. Otherwise why would they be trying all sorts of wacky schemes to get people to stop fooling around with body pillows and actually start making babies (and failing)?



So you really think that people sit around all day plotting how to bring in as many Islamic immigrants as possible? Like, hmm, nice little country there, HERE HAVE SOME MUSLIMS MUHAHAHAH!

In so many words yes that is exactly what happened. In exchange for oil and resources Europe agreed to allow a constant influx of Arabic immigrants and to allow Islam to spread within our borders.

It's both funny and sad that the supposedly preposterous scenario you outlined is actually the truth except they don't "sit around and plot" like you less mentally gifted people think, it's achieved trough geopolitics.

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Oh look another thread on immigration on MMO Champion.

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Japan open to refugees, sureee. They're aren't even open to qualified gaijin workers that are actually in high demand.

That is a lie, I have friends in Japan who were head hunted by Rakuten .

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So they are not accepting refugees, only immigrants.

[Judgedredd]

Lol, this idiot OP realises the title can be misappropriated for the opposite meaning right?

Indeed we should learn from Japan where immigration is concerned. They are the most ethnically homogenous country in the world, cause they keep the undesirables out.

[Macaquerie]

In so many words yes that is exactly what happened. In exchange for oil and resources Europe agreed to allow a constant influx of Arabic immigrants and to allow Islam to spread within our borders.

It's both funny and sad that the supposedly preposterous scenario you outlined is actually the truth except they don't "sit around and plot" like you less mentally gifted people think, it's achieved trough geopolitics.

Alright, explain to me the geopolitical 3D chess going on here. What do the Arab governments gain from having millions of their citizens flee instead of contributing to their home country? It's almost as if the refugees are leaving of their own choice, against the wishes of their leaders...

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Yea hating on the poor, not giving a shit about peoples health & well being and loving the the corporations and billionaires is what is considered patriotism. Apparently believing people deserve a basic quality of life, healthcare & education which could be covered by properly taxing corporations & the extremely wealth just makes you communist scum.

I'd like to point out that unless you're prepared to become a really big boy and provide for all that fresh underclass personally, we are under no real obligation to do so, and all your attempts to shame us into taking them will only be met with more resentment.

So no. What you going to do, inflame the situation so that it'll only get worse? You could try to institute proper economic models that would allow Western countries to utilize this wave of gold sinks, but with contemporary late stage democracies it's never going to happen, especially when the fresh underclass has no reason whatsoever not to vote left. Not that your corps would pick up the slack either since they'd be in an empowered position to drive for wage stagnation and even worse unemployment for locals.

So no. Go away, don't bother us no more.

[Strangebrew]

You're right, they should be taking inn qualified people from the west.
And no they should not be taking inn more islam as islam is cancer.

[Freighter]

Freedom of movement inherently includes a right to emmigrate, and, thus, a right to immigrate.

No, it doesn't.

Article 13 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights asserts that:

a citizen of a state in which that citizen is present has the liberty to travel, reside in, and/or work in any part of the state where one pleases within the limits of respect for the liberty and rights of others,
and that a citizen also has the right to leave any country, including his or her own, and to return to his or her country at any time.

It says that people can travel, reside in or work in any part of the state they're a citizen in and that they can leave any country they want to, including their own and return to their home country at any time.

What it doesn't say is that you have a right to enter any country you want to with the intent to move there.

So you’d be fine with 10M sub-saharan africans coming to fill openings in Singapore?

We don't need 10 million people, so no.

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It may have to do with how very remote their country is and how incredibly different their culture is.

South Korea is just as distant but take more though.

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Alright, explain to me the geopolitical 3D chess going on here. What do the Arab governments gain from having millions of their citizens flee instead of contributing to their home country? It's almost as if the refugees are leaving of their own choice, against the wishes of their leaders...

They get rid of poorly educated plebs and criminals, they weaken christian countries while at the same time aggressively promoting the spread of Islam.

Can i educate you further?

[Macaquerie]

They get rid of poorly educated plebs and criminals, they weaken christian countries while at the same time aggressively promoting the spread of Islam.

Can i educate you further?

And what exactly do Muslim countries actually gain from destabilizing the West? Their economies are still largely dependent on Western technology and expertise and they don't have anywhere near the geopolitical clout to step into the void created by a European collapse. Now, if it were a country like say, Russia, that were behind this, then you might have something, hmmmm...

[Noomz]

No, it doesn't.

Article 13 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights asserts that:

a citizen of a state in which that citizen is present has the liberty to travel, reside in, and/or work in any part of the state where one pleases within the limits of respect for the liberty and rights of others,
and that a citizen also has the right to leave any country, including his or her own, and to return to his or her country at any time.

It says that people can travel, reside in or work in any part of the state they're a citizen in and that they can leave any country they want to, including their own and return to their home country at any time.

What it doesn't say is that you have a right to enter any country you want to with the intent to move there.



We don't need 10 million people, so no.

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South Korea is just as distant but take more though.

I suspect South Korea is better at handling immigrants and is a more open society. But where do South Korea get immigrants from and how many more are we talking about?

[Freighter]

I suspect South Korea is better at handling immigrants and is a more open society. But where do South Korea get immigrants from and how many more are we talking about?

China(Making up about 50% of them), USA, Vietnam Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, Japan, Mongolia, Nepal, Taiwan, Russia, Canada, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Bangladesh, Pakistan(Most of the pakistani I've met have been in construction), Hong Kong, India and so on.

All in all there's about 2 million foreigners living in SK.

[Draco-Onis]

Well, that is a curious thing. I think the Elderly shouldn't be rewarded for such short-term planning. If they didn't create enough taxpayers for these programs they shouldn't be bailed out. But perhaps I am crueller than most.

It's the equations that are no longer valid when these systems were put in place people weren't living this long.

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So you really think that people sit around all day plotting how to bring in as many Islamic immigrants as possible? Like, hmm, nice little country there, HERE HAVE SOME MUSLIMS MUHAHAHAH!

The vast majority of 3rd world immigrants possess no useful skills whatsoever, and especially Muslims are further held back by archaic, often outright barbaric beliefs, traditions and attitudes. It's obvious that their mass immigration isn't a solution to anything -- unless your goal is to destroy the stability and cohesion of Western nations.

And what exactly do Muslim countries actually gain from destabilizing the West? Their economies are still largely dependent on Western technology and expertise and they don't have anywhere near the geopolitical clout to step into the void created by a European collapse. Now, if it were a country like say, Russia, that were behind this, then you might have something, hmmmm...

Perhaps they ultimately care less about economy and technology, and more about the spreading of Islamic influence? Don't expect everyone to have the same priorities as the average Western citizen would. Most people in the West think that the threat of Islamic conquest was ended for good by the 19th century, but many in the Muslim world consider the same 1400-year long war to be still in progress; it's just in a different phase.

Let's speculate a little bit. Who could benefit from a weakened West? Russia would. China would. All the shithole dictatorships in the world would, most of which are or have been Communist; and coincidentally, practically every commie in the West is these days an unwavering proponent of Islam. No, I don't think they would be intellectually capable of a major, worldwide conspiracy; it's merely a natural result of their inherent stupidity, dishonesty, and admiration of authoritarianism and totalitarianism. Bad genes, in other words. Many non-commies share these traits as well. And those traits make it easy for outside powers, such as Russia, to manipulate them as useful idiots to sow chaos and distrust.

In fact that was one of the goals of the USSR, sketched out in detail by none other than Lenin's gang; infiltrate Western institutions (especially education and media) gradually, over decades, and slowly manipulate people into accepting more and more absurd ideas that would eventually rot the society from the inside.

The work was well in progress when the Soviet Union collapsed. But although the USSR is long gone, its useful idiots remained and have continued the same agenda all on their own. The Soviets, through manipulation of the corrupt Western Marxists, managed to create a monster that started to live a life of its own, with its ultimate goal at ruining and corrupting -- perhaps even unwittingly -- everything the traditional Western society stands for. All this under the guise of peace propaganda, tolerance, progressiveness, etc. etc. Take your pick; there isn't a term or idea that commies haven't corrupted into an aberration of its original intention, to serve their twisted goals.

Now, because the basic network of this vile cult of decadence is still in place even today, it would give Russia a perfect channel of influence. Simply manipulate the right people to believe that multiculturalism through Islamic immigration brings forth the utopia that communism failed to achieve; make them believe that it's progressive and intellectual, and these pathological narcissists believe it without question and start spreading the idea. Now, this would naturally spark strong criticism from those who are smart enough to see through the buzzwords and propaganda. How to deal with that? Manipulate and arouse another margin group -- nationalists, neo-nazis, etc. with racist propaganda so that the whole immigration debate turns into a shitstorm between neo-nazi and antifa thugs, drowning all intelligent arguments. Meanwhile the corruption spreads and spreads.

Who else would benefit? Sexual predators, at least. Islam is, after all, a true rape culture where women are slaves to men, and even pedophilia is sanctified by prophet Muhammed's personal example. Perhaps Islam's adherents fantasize about a slave society where they could rape and torture a harem full of child wives? Considering how obsessively the so-called "progressive" agenda revolves around sex, and the Green party's past connections with pedophiles especially in Germany, it might not be all that far-fetched after all.

I'm not saying things are like that; just speculating, toying with the thought a bit, questioning motives, etc. After all there isn't a single logically or morally sound reason to defend Islam or Islamic mass immigration, which leaves only thoroughly retarded, corrupt and decadent motives.

But anyway, let the Japanese themselves deal with their population, economy and immigrants the way they see fit. They know their own country and culture best.

[Noomz]

China(Making up about 50% of them), USA, Vietnam Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, Japan, Mongolia, Nepal, Taiwan, Russia, Canada, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Bangladesh, Pakistan(Most of the pakistani I've met have been in construction), Hong Kong, India and so on.

All in all there's about 2 million foreigners living in SK.

There's 2 million foreigners living in Japan as well so...

[Draco-Onis]

The vast majority of 3rd world immigrants possess no useful skills whatsoever, and especially Muslims are further held back by archaic, often outright barbaric beliefs, traditions and attitudes. It's obvious that their mass immigration isn't a solution to anything -- unless your goal is to destroy the stability and cohesion of Western nations.

Actually a lot of 3rd world countries have higher percentage of people with secondary, college and higher education than the US because their culture emphasizes education as a way to get out of poverty. But hey don't let facts stop you from your stereotyping.

[Deldavala]

There's 2 million foreigners living in Japan as well so...

Japan is more than twice the population though.

[Freighter]

There's 2 million foreigners living in Japan as well so...

Japan has a population of almost 130 million, South Korea has a population of 51 million. There's far more foreigners per 100k population in SK than in Japan.

[JohnBrown1917]

They get rid of poorly educated plebs and criminals, they weaken christian countries while at the same time aggressively promoting the spread of Islam.

Can i educate you further?

I don't want my country to be seen as a Christian country(they are minority now anyway).

[Melius]

another thread bashing japan for not wanting to be multicultural. how original guys and im fairly shore none of you are japanese or from japan to state your opinion on it. let them deal with their problems. it so annoying how westerners always try to meddle in other countries. japanese are very capable people with great traditions and culture and im fairly sure they can take care of their own problems.