Immigration: let's learn from Japan

[Freighter]

So I'm guessing you are about to explain to me why we should all keep those people-eating Fijian scum out, their appealingly packaged bottled water be damned?

What does this have to do with your claim that asians are mimicking white people in targets? The japanese don't like me because I'm korean, white people usually don't give a shit. I don't like the chinese and that's not because of white people.

You honestly give too much credence to white people for racism in other countries.

[Melius]

What does this have to do with your claim that asians are mimicking white people in targets? The japanese don't like me because I'm korean, white people usually don't give a shit. I don't like the chinese and that's not because of white people.

You honestly give too much credence to white people for racism in other countries.

didnt you know that whites invented racism and slavery and everything bad that happend in human history is becuz white men? that's what they're teaching them in western schools nowadays. be happy you are far away from these people. its a blessing

[Freighter]

Poor kid doesn’t understand the debate at all.

Sad.

http://www.claiminghumanrights.org/f...efinition.html

Remember, just because you have a right doesn’t mean said right is unrestrained. Honeatly, though, you claim not to care about human rights AND said you were done with this debate. So either you’re a liar, or you’re a liar. Whichever it is I’m off for a while. Have fun claiming you desire no human rights in the world.

1. Everyone lawfully within the territory of a State shall, within that territory, have the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his residence.

2. Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own.

3. The above-mentioned rights shall not be subject to any restrictions except those which are provided by law, are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant.

4. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country.

It's only saying that you can leave any country you want to, that you can move/travel freely within a country if you are there legally and that you can't be arbitrarily denied entry to your own country.

I suggest you learn to read.

[Deleted]

how many times have u visited asian countries to say this?

I've been to Japan, S Korea, China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand and Philippines a few times over the past 5 years.

I would say that the racism is mainly with the older generation not so with the youth.

[Macaquerie]

What does this have to do with your claim that asians are mimicking white people in targets? The japanese don't like me because I'm korean, white people usually don't give a shit. I don't like the chinese and that's not because of white people.

You honestly give too much credence to white people for racism in other countries.

Except that what you are describing was entirely due to white people, because of course the Japanese were the first to adopt Western customs and were thus ranked atop the racial "hierarchy" whereas Korea was comparatively underdeveloped and China was a veritable bastion of Oriental madness. Accordingly, the Japanese were given relatively preferential treatment when it came to immigration and such whereas every effort was made to exclude the Chinese at any cost, the inability of the average white person to tell them apart notwithstanding. And just like in the rest of the world, Asians behaved according to the position that whites assigned them in the ethnic totem pole, some even got the crazy idea that they came about their silly racist views all on their own.

I mean, are you seriously trying to brag that you didn't need white people to teach you to be a racist shitbag?

[JohnBrown1917]

it is what it is. they are happy they way they are including several other eastern asian countries. so what's the point in creating threads about it? it wont change anything, its just debating for the sake of debating and virtue signaling now and then. sure their society isnt perfect but in my eyes its one of the few that is close to perfection.



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Nothing here will change anything, its a place for discussion. Are you new to the internet?

[Deleted]

The entirety of Asia is extremely racist because they are trying to crudely imitate what they think white people are like. Asians always just so happen to pick on the same targets that white people do, they can be quite callous and cruel toward blacks or Muslims, but you'd never see an Asian go off on some unhinged rant about how much they hate Native Americans or Pacific Islanders or whatever.

Yes they are more introvert but that doesn't make racism any better, it's still a common problem in Asia, much more than in the Western World, even though they are way more vocal about it in the Western World than in Asia.

[Tiwack]

didnt you know that whites invented racism and slavery and everything bad that happend in human history is becuz white men? that's what they're teaching them in western schools nowadays. be happy you are far away from these people. its a blessing

Did you miss the lecture that everyone played an equal part in history to bring us to the current situation? - leading us to today to focus on the things we can impact and influence while the past stays in the past. You wanna repeat history instead of learn from it, have at it.

[Mormolyce]

Japan is in deep shit.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/j...17-4?r=US&IR=T
http://www.businessinsider.com/japan...re-2017-7?IR=T
https://www.theatlantic.com/business...h-rate/534291/
https://www.ft.com/content/62f066cc-...7-502f7ee26895
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ped-having-sex
https://www.theatlantic.com/business...ecline/537375/

This is just from the first page of google if you type in "Japan population".

Like most first world nations, their natural born population is well below replacement rates. But they aren't able to compensate for that with immigration, due to their insular culture.

[Voidwielder]

Half the people here who say that declining population is a bad thing have never seriously thought or read about the topic.

[Macaquerie]

Yes they are more introvert but that doesn't make racism any better, it's still a common problem in Asia, much more than in the Western World, even though they are way more vocal about it in the Western World than in Asia.

Look I'm not suggesting that white people are actually to blame for Asian racism, but I think it's pretty obvious that a lot of the problems you see there are a product of Asians trying to ape Westerners and somehow managing to only copy the bad stuff.

[Voidwielder]

Japan is in deep shit.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/j...17-4?r=US&IR=T
http://www.businessinsider.com/japan...re-2017-7?IR=T
https://www.theatlantic.com/business...h-rate/534291/
https://www.ft.com/content/62f066cc-...7-502f7ee26895
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ped-having-sex
https://www.theatlantic.com/business...ecline/537375/

This is just from the first page of google if you type in "Japan population".

Like most first world nations, their natural born population is well below replacement rates. But they aren't able to compensate for that with immigration, due to their insular culture.

I'm old enough that I remember articles from 1980's when every single country still had +2.5 replacement rate and how that growth would doom us all.

Will it?

Some and increasingly more demography researches doubt it.

But the real question is whether a declining population matters. Assume that there is a smooth downward curve of population, with it decreasing by 20 percent. If the downward curve in gross domestic product matched the downward curve in population, per capita GDP would be unchanged. By this simplest measure, the only way there would be a problem is if GDP fell more than population, or fell completely out of sync with the population, creating negative and positive bubbles. That would be destabilizing.

But there is no reason to think that GDP would fall along with population. The capital base of society, its productive plant as broadly understood, will not dissolve as population declines. Moreover, assume that population fell but GDP fell less — or even grew. Per capita GDP would rise and, by that measure, the population would be more prosperous than before.

One of the key variables mitigating the problem of decreasing population would be continuing advances in technology to increase productivity. We can call this automation or robotics, but growths in individual working productivity have been occurring in all productive environments from the beginning of industrialization, and the rate of growth has been intensifying. Given the smooth and predictable decline in population, there is no reason to believe, at the very least, that GDP would not fall less than population. In other words, with a declining population in advanced industrial societies, even leaving immigration out as a factor, per capita GDP would be expected to grow.

Source.


Spoiler alert : the most rapidly developing countries in the nominally Western world are - ALL - losing population and are resisting mass immigration.
Think about that.

[Freighter]

I mean, are you seriously trying to brag that you didn't need white people to teach you to be a racist shitbag?

What did I say in my post?

You honestly give too much credence to white people for racism in other countries.

[Mormolyce]

What does this have to do with your claim that asians are mimicking white people in targets? The japanese don't like me because I'm korean, white people usually don't give a shit. I don't like the chinese and that's not because of white people.

You honestly give too much credence to white people for racism in other countries.

The thing with racism is, it's almost entirely internal to each country and oriented around its local politics and history. In the US, racism is generally aimed at black people, latinos and historically the Irish (that last one is almost entirely evaporated now so it's probably weird for modern Americans to think about the idea of anti-Irish prejudice).

Here in Australia, historically racism has been aimed at the Chinese and Greeks. I bet a lot of Americans would be baffled by the concept of racism against Greek people, it's as alien to them as racism against Spanish heritage people is to us.

And yet everyone thinks racism is universal. Really it's anything but. It's heavily dependent on a time and a place, and other peoples' prejudices seem bizarre to us because we don't grow up in that social, cultural, political and religious environment to get that frame of reference.

[Macaquerie]

What did I say in my post?

You honestly give too much credence to white people for racism in other countries.

So let's say you're right then. You're still a racist piece of shit, and not just that, but one that was positively TRIGGERED that it was an idea you picked up from someone else.

The thing with racism is, it's almost entirely internal to each country and oriented around its local politics and history. In the US, racism is generally aimed at black people, latinos and historically the Irish (that last one is almost entirely evaporated now so it's probably weird for modern Americans to think about the idea of anti-Irish prejudice).

Here in Australia, historically racism has been aimed at the Chinese and Greeks. I bet a lot of Americans would be baffled by the concept of racism against Greek people, it's as alien to them as racism against Spanish heritage people is to us.

And yet everyone thinks racism is universal. Really it's anything but. It's heavily dependent on a time and a place, and other peoples' prejudices seem bizarre to us because we don't grow up in that social, cultural, political and religious environment to get that frame of reference.

America and Australia are not different planets, we were both formed as a result of British colonization in relatively recent history and, in the grand scheme of things, are pretty similar to each other. And racism might not look the same everywhere but it largely comes from the same place - groups at the top of society looking down on groups below them on the pecking order. You pretty much NEVER see anywhere near that level of resentment going the other way, even though you would think that marginalized groups have many more valid reason to hate the elites than the other way around. People stopped hating the Irish because they mostly left the cities and got rich, and were replaced by later waves of immigrants who became the new targets.

infracted - minor flaming

[NED funded]

Aside from desperate weebs barely anyone wants to move to Japan. So I'm not sure they are a country worth looking up to

[Mormolyce]

I'm old enough that I remember articles from 1980's when every single country still had +2.5 replacement rate and how that growth would doom us all.

Will it?

Some and increasingly more demography researches doubt it.


Source.


Spoiler alert : the most rapidly developing countries in the nominally Western world are - ALL - losing population and are resisting mass immigration.
Think about that.

Are you presuming that Western countries make rational policy decisions? We just spent a couple of years making it crystal clear that that isn't the case lol.

But anyway, not really true. Immigration continues to Western countries unabated, despite this little uptick in fringe right wing activity.

Also try telling the Japanese that their fertility crisis isn't causing them problems:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7770596.html
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/j...6-12?r=US&IR=T
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/j...new-low-2017-5
https://www.msn.com/es-co/salud/noti...ife/vp-BBHSrwJ
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/...r-the-economy/

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America and Australia are not different planets, we were both formed as a result of British colonization in relatively recent history and, in the grand scheme of things, are pretty similar to each other. And racism might not look the same everywhere but it largely comes from the same place - groups at the top of society looking down on groups below them on the pecking order. You pretty much NEVER see anywhere near that level of resentment going the other way, even though you would think that marginalized groups have many more valid reason to hate the elites than the other way around.

While racism and other forms of prejudice may share a common cause, they are different in specifics.

[schwank05]

I am perfectly fine if you want to enter our country legally and immigrate here and do it properly, go through the proper channels and assimilate to our culture.
1- Learn to speak our Language
2- Learn to speak English
3- Learn to SPEAK FUCKING ENGLISH
4- Learn our culture
5- Learn to speak our Language

Don't go and praise the shit hole country you wanted to leave and come to ours, if you plan to come and be an american citizen then become an american citizen. I was listening to Gavin McInnes the other day and he said it cost him 10 years and $10,000.00 to immigrate here from Canada. I have a customer that immigrated here from Canada and moved his business along with him and it has taken him 5 years to get everything in place.

[Macaquerie]

While racism and other forms of prejudice may share a common cause, they are different in specifics.

Sure, it's not that all that surprising that a single ethnic group might prosper in one region and be at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder somewhere else, and thus be in a position to be the source of racism in one area and the target in another. But in pretty recent history, certain groups of people have done pretty well everywhere while others have suffered wherever they've gone, giving certain deluded people the impression that this is reflective of some kind of universal truth.

[Voidwielder]

Are you presuming that Western countries make rational policy decisions? We just spent a couple of years making it crystal clear that that isn't the case lol.

But anyway, not really true. Immigration continues to Western countries unabated, despite this little uptick in fringe right wing activity.

Also try telling the Japanese that their fertility crisis isn't causing them problems:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7770596.html
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/j...6-12?r=US&IR=T
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/j...new-low-2017-5
https://www.msn.com/es-co/salud/noti...ife/vp-BBHSrwJ
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/...r-the-economy/

Read carefully what I wrote.