Why are they ruining Garrosh even further in Chornicle 3?

[Qualia]

People can lose a war without being destroyed completely, that's why the Horde still exists, why the Scourge still exists.

Total death and domination are not the only reasons people fight wars.

But that was Garrosh's reason, that's the issue. The Alliance was willing to co-exist with the Horde in peace during MoP, but Garrosh wasn't, so we got our war back then.

[Syegfryed]

Garrosh was a cunt. He was a racist, he was a supremist. I genuinely don't understand why he has fans.

he was not, then he become, thats why

[Eazy]

member when he crash the Millennium Falcon in ashenvale? that was epic

Too bad Sargeras carbonited him with earth elementals.

[OIS]

he was not, then he become, thats why

Wasn't it due to a disconnection between different lore teams and that he was meant to go evil from the beginning?

[Jack Black]

Wasn't it due to a disconnection between different lore teams and that he was meant to go evil from the beginning?

Yes it was. But Garrosh fanboys ignore this fact on purpose.

[Qualia]

he was not, then he become, thats why

It's the other way around. He was an aggressive jerk in the comic, he was the same during WoTLK (to the point even Saurfang had to caution him), MoP and WoD. He only became more respectable around Stonetalon Mountains - which is more of an exception than the norm.

[Okacz]

Garrosh was a cunt. He was a racist, he was a supremist. I genuinely don't understand why he has fans.

Blizzard retconning the story TO THIS day (a story that concluded like 5 years ago) just to make sure Garrosh looks like enough of a monster is a hint. He wasn't planned to be a Nazi Tyrant he became, but then the story rapidly shifted to make him into one, and a lot of it got retconned.

Take a morally gray character from current WoW that you like. Turn him to complete racist asshole for an entire expansion to kill him off, while changing his previous lore to make him seem even worse from the start. Or wait, kind of can't, since Blizzard made sure there are pretty much NO morally grey characters in the game anymore.

[Deleted]

Even during MoP Blizz said "Garrosh is a bad apple", they literally said it. Garrosh was never meant to be a "misunderstood hero".

The Horde itself has allways been evil. There was only one brief period where it wasn't during thralls reighn and just because he hold them back.
They were even in wc1 wc2 and after Wrathgate and beyond.

The chronicles just made things clear as it was obvious that blizzard INTENDED view on garrosh was not percieved as it was intended.

Get over it, you are and have been the bad, evil, maniacs and continue to be. It is a question of faction diversity and the good guy spot has allready been claimed by the Alliance.

[Syegfryed]

It's the other way around. He was an aggressive jerk in the comic, he was the same during WoTLK (to the point even Saurfang had to caution him), MoP and WoD. He only became more respectable around Stonetalon Mountains - which is more of an exception than the norm.

he was a jerk and aggressive to the alliance, not to the horde members, he never had problems with horde races if they show they are worth, people love to ignore wrath and cataclysm

[PaladinBash]

What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?!

Wow, you've never heard of the Aluminum Falcon?

He's that DH who beat the +18 Mythic by 12 seconds.

[yetgdhfgh]

Garrosh was turned evil because blizz needed a villain for MoP cause they knew people was laughing at the xpac so they told us Garrosh was gonna be the end guy of it to create excitement! Clearly they thought well we cant have the Sha be the end bad even though logically it should have been.

I mean how many times does blizz tell us who the end boss will be?

Bottom line is it could easily have been Varian who ended up the big bad but nope blizz cant have the white as light good guys ever becoming evil so they chose garrosh instead cause people didnt like his prickly demeanor in Cata even though Cata showed glimpses of his character that showed he wasnt just a testosterone bloodlusting tyrant he became in MoP.

I remember back in MoP when one of the devs said the reason he was pissed at his general in Stonetalon was not cause he just daisy cuttered a druid refuge but was because he wasted a mana bomb. Even though that clearly was not a mana bomb just a very big goblin high ordnance explosive. When i read that i knew there and then the devs either dont play the game or know the lore.

[mysticx]

Because if they retcon him into being Evil All Along, then they can sweep their writing fuckup under the rug.

This (sadly) just about covers it, i remember reading somewhere (cba to trawl through years of blue posts to find out where) that the one bit people cling to for any semblance of honour on Garrosh's part ("Dismissing" the bomb-on-druid-school-guy) was the odd part out, and he was meant to be ruthless all along.

And be honest: Given his father, or indeed orcish culture in general, is "Fighting for the fun of it" really that far-fetched?

The "Child of the void lords"-bit is news to me though, what's _that_ supposed to mean?

[Qualia]

he was a jerk and agresive to the alliance, not to the horde members, he never had problems with horde races if they show they are worth

The thing is, "If they show they are worth" was judged purely by his values - which isn't quite the same as most - so he turned out to be an aggressive jerk even to Horde member. Even before MoP, this is the one who butted-head against Thrall multiple times, and both Cairne and Saurfang were concerned with his aggressiveness or bloodthirst. Those are some of the most respected and wise member of the Horde. How much more worth would they need to have to be considered worthy?

[Amathricus]

Chris Metzen said, back when WotLK came out, that Garrosh was going to be the catalyst to one of the biggest, most surprising story-lines we've seen. He was a poor emo boy in Outland, but then when he was heavily present during Wrath, following Thrall around, he was already jackass. Much like Wrynn was at the time. The difference is Wrynn starting moving the opposite direction. More accepting, due to his son and Jaina's insight and influence. As the story unfolded, especially in novels at the time, you could see him going to way of being completely racist, even against his own people. He was too young to be leader. Wouldn't take advice from non-orc advisors (Cairne for example) or even some of the older Thrall-loyal orcs (Etrigg). His underling, Malkorak bombed the inn in Razor Hill while Vol'jin and Baine were inside, and Garrosh was fine with it. Sylvanas halted him at every turn because she knew he was taking the Horde down a path both she and Thrall didn't wish it to go. This was following the bombing of Theramore, that basically none of the non-orc leaders had any idea was going to happen. It was a brilliant strategy for sure though. :P

He was never truly a Horde hero. He was a brilliant villain and his fate was always going to be as it was, a raid boss we were all meant to hate.

[Jack Black]

Chris Metzen said, back when WotLK came out, that Garrosh was going to be the catalyst to one of the biggest, most surprising story-lines we've seen. He was a poor emo boy in Outland, but then when he was heavily present during Wrath, following Thrall around, he was already jackass. Much like Wrynn was at the time. The difference is Wrynn starting moving the opposite direction. More accepting, due to his son and Jaina's insight and influence. As the story unfolded, especially in novels at the time, you could see him going to way of being completely racist, even against his own people. He was too young to be leader. Wouldn't take advice from non-orc advisors (Cairne for example) or even some of the older Thrall-loyal orcs (Etrigg). His underling, Malkorak bombed the inn in Razor Hill while Vol'jin and Baine were inside, and Garrosh was fine with it. Sylvanas halted him at every turn because she knew he was taking the Horde down a path both she and Thrall didn't wish it to go. This was following the bombing of Theramore, that basically none of the non-orc leaders had any idea was going to happen. It was a brilliant strategy for sure though. :P

He was never truly a Horde hero. He was a brilliant villain and his fate was always going to be as it was, a raid boss we were all meant to hate.

Atleast Varian had reasons be jerk and ass to Horde and orcs. Garrosh used his daddy issues.

[Shadowsgrace]

Garry was a tool.

[Syegfryed]

The thing is, "If they show they are worth" was judged purely by his values - which isn't quite the same as most - so he turned out to be an aggressive jerk even to Horde member.

regardless he was never racist, and never judge anyone by race, but by his values and commitment with the horde

Even before MoP, this is the one who butted-head against Thrall multiple times, and both Cairne and Saurfang were concerned with his aggressiveness or bloodthirst

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yes but again he was not a jerk to the horde and not a racist, even Garrosh knew was a bad idea to put him as warchief but thrall did it anyway. only in MOP they start to build Garrosh-Hitler.

[Netherspark]

he was a jerk and aggressive to the alliance, not to the horde members, he never had problems with horde races if they show they are worth, people love to ignore wrath and cataclysm

Except the for the fact that from the very moment he arrived in Durotar he became aggressive to Thrall, constantly insulting and undermining him, right up until he outright challenges Thrall to a fight to the death and tries to take over the Horde.

And then the first thing he does after becomming warchief is to make enemies of the trolls and the tauren, while pressing the forsaken under his thumb and threatening to wipe them out.

[Deleted]

regardless he was never racist, and never judge anyone by race, but by his values and commitment with the horde

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yes but again he was not a jerk to the horde and not a racist, even Garrosh knew was a bad idea to put him as warchief but thrall did it anyway.

Did you miss the point where he sent the forsaken on a suicide mission against Gilneas because he considered them abominations, reignited the faction war because...I don't know he hates humans because daddy issues, and decided the Horde should get rid of all the trolls, forsaken, blood elves and tauren, keep the Goblins and bring in Mantid because those were the only races worthy of his "True" horde? Garrosh was entirely racist.

Why is it, when it comes to Garrosh and how horrendously written he was, everyone is all "OH I GUESS WE'RE NOT ALLOWED ANY MORALLY GREY CHARACTERS", but with Sylvanas, who at LEAST has reasons other than "The writing team has no idea what direction they're supposed to take his character", people just write her off as evil. Self preservation, and the preservation of her race as a whole, is perfectly valid reasons for her more morally dubious actions, but Garrosh it just comes down to "I AM ORC MY DADDY WAS ORC!"

[Syegfryed]

Did you miss the point where he sent the forsaken on a suicide mission against Gilneas because he considered them abominations, reignited the faction war because...I don't know he hates humans because daddy issues,

im prety sure it was because wrathgate, but lets just ignore that right?

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Except the for the fact that from the very moment he arrived in Durotar he became aggressive to Thrall, constantly insulting and undermining him, right up until he outright challenges Thrall to a fight to the death and tries to take over the Horde.

And then the first thing he does after becomming warchief is to make enemies of the trolls and the tauren, while pressing the forsaken under his thumb and threatening to wipe them out.

of course being aggressive to thrall because he was too much passive with the alliance means he is racist and aggressive with the entire horde