Ohio student suspended for staying in class during walkout protest

[Spectral]

One does wonder if the school couldn't at least be bothered to tell a less ridiculous lie about their reasoning:

The district says it's responsible for students' safety and they can't be unsupervised.

Ah, yes, a high school senior sitting alone in a classroom is clearly a real safety hazard

[pathora44]

One does wonder if the school couldn't at least be bothered to tell a less ridiculous lie about their reasoning:

Ah, yes, a high school senior sitting alone in a classroom is clearly a real safety hazard

Except the school is responsible for him so he was given an option be involved with the protest or go to the library and study hall. He instead chose to make his own statement by doing what he wanted to do. So like you guys have been saying this whole time he should get suspended for not following the rules. Oh wait this time he did what you like so now it is a fascist liberal agenda trying to indoctrinate the kids in their progressive politics.

[Spectral]

Except the school is responsible for him so he was given an option be involved with the protest or go to the library and study hall. He instead chose to make his own statement by doing what he wanted to do. So like you guys have been saying this whole time he should get suspended for not following the rules. Oh wait this time he did what you like so now it is a fascist liberal agenda trying to indoctrinate the kids in their progressive politics.

You seem to be experiencing some odd delusion - what exactly are you responding to that would prompt this reply?

[Zamfix]

This isn't about politics it's about kids tired of schools becoming shooting galleries for gun fetishists.

[Sky High]

Why does it matter?

In any other nation around the world people, students and teachers are allowed to protest against things they don't agree with.

Should people have less rights just because they're part of some retarded two-party system where everything is turned into a partisan issue?

no, clearly they're being funded directly by George Soros to undermine American exceptionalism and get everyone on a soy based diet, cause they hate america.

[THEORACLE64]

Sounds like he was suspended over insubordination, not because he didn't walk out.

He was given two options:

1. Join the protest

2. Go to Study Hall with everyone else who wasn't participating in the protests (probably because you know, its hard to teach normally when a good chunk of students aren't there + the teachers needing to make sure the student body stays safe which means not being in the classrooms)

He decided that "I'm going to stay right here" which wasn't an option presented for him. Schools aren't a democracy, he doesn't get a say in what he's being told to do. He was suspended.

Nothing to see here.

This. He was given options and he disobeyed them, thus he was suspended. The end.

[Mic_128]

One does wonder if the school couldn't at least be bothered to tell a less ridiculous lie about their reasoning:

Ah, yes, a high school senior sitting alone in a classroom is clearly a real safety hazard

As a teacher, here are some reasons why you never leave a kid alone in a classroom. Not saying they apply to every single student, but they're all for covering our asses.

*Things get stolen
*Things get damaged/destroyed
*Kid goes missing - either on his own power or with someone else
*Kid gets abused by another student
*Kid gets abused by a teacher
-The above two also include -false accusations that something happened, and by 'abused' I'm not just meaning sexually. Being hit/beaten, ect.

It's all about covering our asses and reducing risk, both to the student and ourselves, hence why they must be supervised and why it's an absolutely terrible idea to be alone with a child.

[Fencers]

The student was given an alternative and chose to stay in an empty classroom. From the school's position they must have supervision. So the kid actually was suspended for being in an area he was not allowed to be at the time. The fact a protest was going on at the same time was why he couldn't remain in class but is not the reason for his suspension- it's because he willfully was in an area without supervision after being told not to do so.

This kid has no case. The school is 100% in the right and legally could have been in a terrible position allowing that student to remain unsupervised during an event.

Gnashing your teeth and throwing your hands up at this news is really about being protest fatigue. Because there is no way the kid would be allowed to be unsupervised if this was a non-protest event instead.

[dvaz]

I thought the left and sjw's had the exclusive on fake outrage, but i guess the right wants to join in as well.

As mentioned earlier, there was a place to go (Study Hall) but kid decided to say fuck that, imma create some drama.

Sounds like he was suspended over insubordination, not because he didn't walk out.

He was given two options:

1. Join the protest

2. Go to Study Hall with everyone else who wasn't participating in the protests (probably because you know, its hard to teach normally when a good chunk of students aren't there + the teachers needing to make sure the student body stays safe which means not being in the classrooms)

He decided that "I'm going to stay right here" which wasn't an option presented for him. Schools aren't a democracy, he doesn't get a say in what he's being told to do. He was suspended.

Nothing to see here.

100000x this.

As a teacher, here are some reasons why you never leave a kid alone in a classroom. Not saying they apply to every single student, but they're all for covering our asses.

*Things get stolen
*Things get damaged/destroyed
*Kid goes missing - either on his own power or with someone else
*Kid gets abused by another student
*Kid gets abused by a teacher
-The above two also include -false accusations that something happened, and by 'abused' I'm not just meaning sexually. Being hit/beaten, ect.

It's all about covering our asses and reducing risk, both to the student and ourselves, hence why they must be supervised and why it's an absolutely terrible idea to be alone with a child.

Your logic is getting in the way of my fake outrage!!

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...316-story.html



Shouldn't all of the students who took part in the 'walk out' be the ones who were suspended? This kid just wanted to attend classes and not being used like a political pawn. The whole concept of a sanctioned 'walk out', which is traditionally a protest against authority, is baffling to me.

Protesting doesn't mean anything anymore, its just another part of the system, that's what all of these kids are learning from this.

He wasn't suspended for not going to the protest. He was suspended because he didn't go to the study hall instead of the protest. It's pretty much the same situation as being suspended for skipping class.

As for the "sanctioned protest"...you might have a point if the kids were protesting against the schools...but they weren't. They were protesting the fact that the American Government values The Gun Lobby more than the lives of American Children.

[Gorgodeus]

He was given 2 choices by the school: join the walkout or go to study hall. They probably wanted the non study hall teachers elsewhere, such as outside supervising. He refused to do either, so he deserved suspension.

[Heladys]

Well, just another thing you know nothing about. It isn't illegal, you just think it is. You obviously aren't from the US. You would know this if you were.

You read things posted every day by americans on this board and you still say that? lol

[shimerra]

So you're confused about what happened, too? Did no one actually read the article. Did you read his OP? At least tell me you did that.

The school organized a time for a protest for kids who wanted to do it. There was an option not to participate as well. The kid in the article decided on a third choice, which was not allowed, and was punished for not following directions.

That's it.

Everything else is you and Venant and others trying to take an educational opportunity and turn it into something it wasn't.

No.... that's quite literally exactly what I said. The school came up with a way for the students to peacefully protest while also fulfilling their primary mandate which is making sure the kids are safe and the only reason Venant is mad about it is because he disagrees with the reason for the protest.

If anything you're the one who didn't understand. Might wanna trying actually reading what you respond to before telling others to actually read the OP.

[ItachiZaku]

I would have probably been a prick teacher that had a lesson with some key points that would be on a test/exam. Missed class did you? Aww.

[Narwal]

Sounds like he was suspended over insubordination, not because he didn't walk out.

He was given two options:

1. Join the protest

2. Go to Study Hall with everyone else who wasn't participating in the protests (probably because you know, its hard to teach normally when a good chunk of students aren't there + the teachers needing to make sure the student body stays safe which means not being in the classrooms)

He decided that "I'm going to stay right here" which wasn't an option presented for him. Schools aren't a democracy, he doesn't get a say in what he's being told to do. He was suspended.

Nothing to see here.

Where was the teacher of the class? Isnt it the job of the teacher to teach the class?

Your whole second point is wrong. Its not hard to teach a smaller class. And its not unsafe to teach a smaller class. So why did people who wanted to remain in class not have that option?

The student was right in the fact that whether he chose either option the school offered, he was agreeing to be affected by the political decision of faculty at the school. It is the faculty that planned the politically staged walkout for the students.

[Kiri]

Where was the teacher of the class? Isnt it the job of the teacher to teach the class?

Your whole second point is wrong. Its not hard to teach a smaller class. And its not unsafe to teach a smaller class. So why did people who wanted to remain in class not have that option?

The student was right in the fact that whether he chose either option the school offered, he was agreeing to be affected by the political decision of faculty at the school. It is the faculty that planned the politically staged walkout for the students.

It is not hard to teach a smaller class, indeed. But there are two problems in general here:
1) You need teachers outside as well to look after the protesting kids. As such, assuming you don't have a lot of teachers sitting around doing nothing all morning, those supervising teachers would have to be drawn from those who would otherwise be, well, teaching. It is already a hassle for most schools to reschedule stuff when one teacher is sick or something, trying to run a proper curriculum day with multiple people gone is nigh impossible. You usually can't just fuse multiple smaller classes together for a day and expect to have meaningful sessions either, since teachers are not robots and there are often differences in content.

2) As a teacher, you can't just assume that those joining the protest can just get all the content themselves from those who stayed, were you to just hold a class. Even if you are a 'prick' like the one described in the post above yours, you still got to prepare your students for tests, often standardized ones, and them doing badly usually reflects badly on you. By having no scheduled classes at all that day, the school itself basically takes responsibility from the teachers, meaning that they don't have to make that decision and don't get flak from the parents.

And the student may have been right in being irked, but he was not right in doing what he did. Whether or not he agreed with the decision made does not mean he is allowed to ignore it. There are a lot of political decisions made for everyone, all the time, and we cannot pick and choose which ones we follow and which not. You can protest and criticize them, but you cannot just ignore them.

[Deleted]

He took an option that wasn't available. If the only option would've been to go out to protest then yeah sure then you have a problem.

It's the same idea as the school organizes a trip instead of the last 2 classes and you have the options to either join the trip or go home. And you choose to stay in class.

[Shibito]

amazing how you guys are fine with him beeing suspended over not wanting to protest was it the other way around you guys would be on the warpath

[cubby]

No.... that's quite literally exactly what I said. The school came up with a way for the students to peacefully protest while also fulfilling their primary mandate which is making sure the kids are safe and the only reason Venant is mad about it is because he disagrees with the reason for the protest.

If anything you're the one who didn't understand. Might wanna trying actually reading what you respond to before telling others to actually read the OP.

Thanks for clarifying.

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amazing how you guys are fine with him beeing suspended over not wanting to protest was it the other way around you guys would be on the warpath

Says the guy who didn't actually read any of the posts (or the article) and just comments based on the title of the thread. Gotta love willful ignorance and planned stupidity. Next time show up with knowledge instead of drivel, mkay?

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amazing how you guys are fine with him beeing suspended over not wanting to protest was it the other way around you guys would be on the warpath

This. Precisely.

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