Why Do The Alliance Zones Suck Compared To The Horde Ones?

[Aeula]

Then why is everyone ranting about Drustvar and bemoaning how lacking the Zandalar zones are?

[Lollis]

Lots of people didn't like Vashjir, I did, I don't see the point in this thread.

Some dickhole youtuber says X is bad and half the posters instantly think the world is ending, why don't you try forming your own opinions?

[Dystemper]

I think BFA is going to be a massive failure, more so then WOD. You just get the feeling that Blizzard does not care about WOW any more

[Velerios]

I think BFA is going to be a massive failure, more so then WOD. You just get the feeling that Blizzard does not care about WOW any more

1.) I do think they care, but just for their beloved horde. As we see blizzard is on their MHGA (make horde great again) crusade, and that's what's important.

See what happens in BfA: While we see a lot of progression in Zandalari trolls and wow how much customizations Draenor orcs get, we see nothing about the alliance.

And here you see more logic: Horde lands on Zandalar an isle with an heavy lore about Zandalari Trolls. And Horde gets Zandalari. Makes quite sense. So Alliance lands on Kul'tiras, and logically they get: Dark Iron Dwarves, living in Blackrock. Yes, seems legit.

And all in all: Horde gets a troll-race looking quite different from the trolls we have now, Alliance gets Dwarves that have another skin tone and fiery eyes. And even redder beards than the red beards dwarves have. And black beards too. Yes, that's all folks.

And now i'm looking forward for the responses of blizzard-fanbois defending their choices.

2.) The main issue is that since WotLK there are 2 teams working on wow, one is let's say team 1, the other is Team 2.

So Team 1 worked on WotLK while the other already worked on cata.

And Team 2 is always the one who wants to change the world as it was. (it always fails) They destroy things just for the sake of progression and it always backlashes hard. While Team 1 simply makes a good job.

So let's see how it went:

Team 1: WotLK - MoP - Legion
Team 2: Cata - WoD - BfA

Yes, Team 2 is right now the filler-expansion master, destroying WoW while Team 1 needs to clean the mess of Team 2.

BfA seems more and more like a failure because it is. Surrounding a theme that never worked will not help the game. The faction war was despised in Cata (alliance losing everything, horde... what exactly was horde losing in cata?), it was despised in MoP (nobody liked it in MoP while everyone loved Throne of Thunder AND timeless isle which had absolutely NOTHING to do with this faction war; and they needed to kill Garrosh because everyone hated him so much because of it), then the Alliance vs Iron Horde vs Horde part in WoD was a failure too. Legion ended this crap because of an bigger thread called Legion and it was quite a good expansion, and now Blizzard thinks that they need to reignite something that never worked since the beginning of WoW.

But hey, maybe after their 3rd failure they understand that this will not bring people back to WoW at all.

And there is always the possibility that they don't want any longer to support WoW at all. Even if i want to see a WoW 2.0; i'm afraid that they might abadon MMOs entirely. They saw how much money a small game like Hearthstone brings compared to WoW. I don't say that WoW is unsuccessful, but it brings far less money than their card game. But to be realistic: the chance of this is extremely low, but not non-existent. Personally i don't believe it yet, because there's still money on the table. But hey, it's ActivisionBlizzard now. And the first part gets bolder and bolder, day by day.

[xpose]

I think BFA is going to be a massive failure, more so then WOD. You just get the feeling that Blizzard does not care about WOW any more

no? Legion clearly showed they are dedicated to correcting mistakes and making the game playable at all levels.

[Redzonetode]

I think BFA is going to be a massive failure, more so then WOD. You just get the feeling that Blizzard does not care about WOW any more

"Hey, we just had a very successful expansion that we put our all into. Well, that was fun. Time to give up. We dont care about WoW anymore."

Yeah, that sounds believable. Please, for the love of god, THINK.

[Dystemper]

"Hey, we just had a very successful expansion that we put our all into. Well, that was fun. Time to give up. We dont care about WoW anymore."

Yeah, that sounds believable. Please, for the love of god, THINK.

Except Legion was not all that successful. Compared to WOD, it was just less of a turd but still a turd. Legion had horrible story, game design and elements to it that drove many players away ( excessive RNG) . I would say the first half of Legion was OK, but 7.2 and after was a abject failure on many levels. Only a complete WhiteKnight would say Legion was great. And here it is almost April and All we really know about BFA is....Allied races. Thats pretty muych the entire selling point of this expansion. And people are already sick of the allied races that are available now. Everything you see about BFA seems designed to just keep you logged in longer to unlock a different Allied race. Oh and some Bullshit Faction war that everyone knows cant advance one way or the other because its a MMO and you cant have a winner or loser with out pissing off half the player base.

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"Hey, we just had a very successful expansion that we put our all into. Well, that was fun. Time to give up. We dont care about WoW anymore."

Yeah, that sounds believable. Please, for the love of god, THINK.

Nevermind that is what exactly happened with WOD after MOP. Do you even play this game?

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no? Legion clearly showed they are dedicated to correcting mistakes and making the game playable at all levels.

Say what? LMAo PVP was ruined. Excessive RNG ruined the game, The gutting of the classes ruined peoples fun, Legndaries, AP grind, the secondary stat issue , screwed up rewards, Titanforging and warforging making it so you didnt even have to raid just get lucky with the loot casino mentality. Legion didnt fix anything . It made small issues much much much worse

[Deleted]

Except Legion was not all that successful. Compared to WOD, it was just less of a turd but still a turd. Legion had horrible story, game design and elements to it that drove many players away ( excessive RNG) . I would say the first half of Legion was OK, but 7.2 and after was a abject failure on many levels. Only a complete WhiteKnight would say Legion was great. And here it is almost April and All we really know about BFA is....Allied races. Thats pretty muych the entire selling point of this expansion. And people are already sick of the allied races that are available now. Everything you see about BFA seems designed to just keep you logged in longer to unlock a different Allied race. Oh and some Bullshit Faction war that everyone knows cant advance one way or the other because its a MMO and you cant have a winner or loser with out pissing off half the player base.

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Nevermind that is what exactly happened with WOD after MOP. Do you even play this game?

All the bullshit you just wrote is completely subjective. Nothing but REEEEEEEEEEE. Just because you think it was unsuccessful doesn't mean it was, I quit the game after Cata and came back and loved it just as much as Wotlk. Numbers wise for an MMO in 2016-2018 it was also hugely successful.

''OH BUT IT WUZN SUKKSESFUL CUS NOW FAKTION WAR AFTER AND UHHH LEGION TOO GREEN DUHHHHHHH''

[Dystemper]

All the bullshit you just wrote is completely subjective. Nothing but REEEEEEEEEEE. Just because you think it was unsuccessful doesn't mean it was, I quit the game after Cata and came back and loved it just as much as Wotlk. Numbers wise for an MMO in 2016-2018 it was also hugely successful.

''OH BUT IT WUZN SUKKSESFUL CUS NOW FAKTION WAR AFTER AND UHHH LEGION TOO GREEN DUHHHHHHH''

And how do you know what the numbers where? And if you think Legion was as good as WOTLK then I cant help you there , there was nothing in Legion as compelling. Hard time gates, Excessive RNG, poor raid quality, crap reward system. Never in WOTLK did i Feel getting a Ilvl upgrade was punishment and be forced tovendor it because the secondary stats made that Item a DPS loss for me eventhough it was a 5-10 ilvl boost. Running raids became a waste of time and effort because You didnt get a WF or TF. And lets not even get into the Craptastic way flight was handled. Legion was all about extending the MAU metric of the game to keep players subbed and logged in as much as possible. Having fun didnt even make the top 10 of the list .

[Logwyn]

- Preach hated Tirigarde Sound so much he turned the game off and refused to play it.

Who is "Preach"? Why do I care what they think anyway?

Is not the expansion in Alpha still? AKA Not finished yet?

[Dystemper]

Who is "Preach"? Why do I care what they think anyway?

Is not the expansion in Alpha still? AKA Not finished yet?

Legion and WOD had major issues in Alpha that were never fixed by the time they went live. It is already almost April. BFA goes live in Sept. Thereis not a lot of time to make any major changes More then likely what you are seeing now on Alpha and Beta is pretty much what you will get minus some minor tweaking

[Khirok]

Then why is everyone ranting about Drustvar and bemoaning how lacking the Zandalar zones are?

People are doing that?

[Ramz]

Who is "Preach"? Why do I care what they think anyway?

Is not the expansion in Alpha still? AKA Not finished yet?

Well I don't know the guy too myself, but I still opened the link and watched, listened to his concerns and I found them reasonable. Alpha is very good stage to give feedback that is affecting story, it's the best chance to give any big changes because later it could be too late. He gave quite a good examples of what could be considered bad questing experience, and he elaborated on what could make experience better.

[Aeula]

People are doing that?

From what I've seen, yeah.

Besides, the Horde has an entire zone about those vile Vulpera, that kind of drags us under the waves in terms of zones.

[Deleted]

From what I've seen, yeah.

Besides, the Horde has an entire zone about those vile Vulpera, that kind of drags us under the waves in terms of zones.

Voldun is about the Sethrak almost exclusively. Vulpera are just inhabitants that we happen to recruit, I expect a lot more Sethrak action.

[Lollis]

Never in WOTLK did i Feel getting a Ilvl upgrade was punishment and be forced tovendor it because the secondary stats made that Item a DPS loss for me eventhough it was a 5-10 ilvl boost.

Then you clearly didn't fucking raid then.

There were countless items in Wrath for which secondary stats made it a dps loss despite being a better item level. If you truly believe the nonsense you just posted then you have a really bad memory.

[Redzonetode]

Ive got a working theory that being apart of a fan community (this forum, reddit, etc) makes you a lot more negative than you normally would be if you just played the game without all of the community BS that goes on.

[Divada]

Ive got a working theory that being apart of a fan community (this forum, reddit, etc) makes you a lot more negative than you normally would be if you just played the game without all of the community BS that goes on.

I'd agree with that. It certainly exposes you to a ton more negativity than you would otherwise experience.

[rogueMatthias]

Then you clearly didn't fucking raid then.

There were countless items in Wrath for which secondary stats made it a dps loss despite being a better item level. If you truly believe the nonsense you just posted then you have a really bad memory.

Not to mention getting items that dropped with a higher Ilvl that would break your set bonusses.

I mean.. the entire of reforging was added at the time specifically to avoid people selling higher ilvl items because they had bad stats on them.

[Khaza-R]

2.) The main issue is that since WotLK there are 2 teams working on wow, one is let's say team 1, the other is Team 2.

So Team 1 worked on WotLK while the other already worked on cata.

And Team 2 is always the one who wants to change the world as it was. (it always fails) They destroy things just for the sake of progression and it always backlashes hard. While Team 1 simply makes a good job.

So let's see how it went:

Team 1: WotLK - MoP - Legion
Team 2: Cata - WoD - BfA

Yes, Team 2 is right now the filler-expansion master, destroying WoW while Team 1 needs to clean the mess of Team 2.

BfA seems more and more like a failure because it is. Surrounding a theme that never worked will not help the game. The faction war was despised in Cata (alliance losing everything, horde... what exactly was horde losing in cata?), it was despised in MoP (nobody liked it in MoP while everyone loved Throne of Thunder AND timeless isle which had absolutely NOTHING to do with this faction war; and they needed to kill Garrosh because everyone hated him so much because of it), then the Alliance vs Iron Horde vs Horde part in WoD was a failure too. Legion ended this crap because of an bigger thread called Legion and it was quite a good expansion, and now Blizzard thinks that they need to reignite something that never worked since the beginning of WoW.

But hey, maybe after their 3rd failure they understand that this will not bring people back to WoW at all.

And there is always the possibility that they don't want any longer to support WoW at all. Even if i want to see a WoW 2.0; i'm afraid that they might abadon MMOs entirely. They saw how much money a small game like Hearthstone brings compared to WoW. I don't say that WoW is unsuccessful, but it brings far less money than their card game. But to be realistic: the chance of this is extremely low, but not non-existent. Personally i don't believe it yet, because there's still money on the table. But hey, it's ActivisionBlizzard now. And the first part gets bolder and bolder, day by day.

But that's not at all why Cataclysm and WoD failed. Both were factors of poor resource management and decision making, not because there is a "bad egg team" in development.

Cataclysm was never disliked because of the faction them. If anything, it was probably the only enjoyable part of Cataclysm in comparison to the Indiana Jones parody and Thrall-fest. Cataclysm had the potential to be a good expansion, it only sucked because they rushed the end. No Abyssal Maw raid, and Dragon Soul because one of the most disliked tiers in raid history.

WoD, on the other hand, was disliked because of both the story feeling pointless and the Activision's greedy decision to try to pump out 2 tier expansions to sell more boxes. The actual content of WoD was not terrible. Had they not wasted so much time with Ashran and the Garrisons, it probably could have been a decent expansion, considering the awful storyline.