Anyone else find it weird that...

[Kralljin]

Not that the vulpera have any evident Japanese influences, nor that it even matters, really.

I never said that that Warcraft is strictly european.

But the influence of the basic setting (Which is Warcraft 1 and 2) is pretty much Tolkien, who drew part of his inspiration from Norse mythology.
The general setting (used to be) basically a high fantasy medival world with regular human kingdoms, Dragons, Dwarves, elves and so forth.

Obviously when the world expanded a lot of other races and cultures were added but the amount of that comes from european mythology still outweighs the rest.

My point i was trying to make was originally, people from western society are more open towards mythical creatures from Norse and Greek mythology, because it is very likely they already saw them in a certain shape or form in different medias, stuff that draws on japanese mythology probably less.

[Corroc]

This has got to be one of the stupidest arguments... you know how new things get into the lore? They get created and put into the game.

Tauren, night elves, tuskarr, centaurs, kobolds, murlocs, and shitloads of other races didn't exist in the lore before Warcraft III. If you were actually a fan of Warcraft back in the day, would you be complaining about how there's this entire continent we've never heard of full of races we've never met before?

Lmao you really want to stretch the argument that far? since there was no lore before third warcraft game? Really?

Most of the wow lore was established in the original warcraft games which makes the whole game so damm good. But I can see where this is going. Some people think wow lore is comparable to warcraft lore. The biggest difference in wow lore compared to warcraft lore is that alot of wow lore doesn't go further than wow. Things just appear to be there all the time without any knowledge for thousands of years the warcraft universe has existed.

[Darktbs]

Are you reading my post(s)?

It simply ignores the fact that Pandaren by itself have no faction restriction, which is not the case for any other race, this is simply a fundamental difference to any other race.
You can read the statistic the way you like, but important differences need to be taken into account if you want to analyze this stuff properly.

The Pandaren simply have an advantage over any other race within the game when it comes to these racial representation, which is why it is important to seperate between the two factions.

The bottom line is, both Alliance and Horde have Pandaren as the least represented race and this is the only fair comparison in this case as the same rules applies to all (compared) races.

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I am, but is hard to to take the point seriously when it doesn't negate the argument.which was.

Well, quick google search on "wow playable race statistics" shows that Pandaren are the least played race on Alliance / Horde.

Does this proof people hate Pandaren? No, but most people don't want to one seemingly..

Because, regardless of faction.If people didn't really want Pandaren or didn't like them, they would be the bottom of the Races even when combining both faction.But in the Horde, they are as much played as a Goblins and if you count the Pandaren Race(which is the important part) they are more played then classic races, showing that they are liked enough.

And your argument using factions isn't really good, because i can just as easily say that they aren't that played because their racials aren't as op as a Blood elf, Troll or Human.You're not analyzing properly, you are adding variables, that shouldn't be mention considering the amount of variables that could be added in attempt to discretic and excuse a races popularity or lack of it.

[maccajoe]

I have created some of that R34. I'm well aware it exists. Whether someone might get a boner has never been the point of contention, which just makes this entire line of reasoning overly specific denial. Which is just hilarious.

"I'd prefer if they didn't add them. They just look like stupid furry bait to me"

"You think just because they're foxes people want to have sex with them? nobody was even talking about having sex with them before you got here. Plus a lot of other people have thought about having sex with WoW characters too, so it wouldn't even be all that weird to want to have sex with vulpera. Which I don't. You brought that up. Weirdo"

I really dont understand your comment. You create SFM porn but you are still against Vulpera because furries might get hard on and create/ fantasize to Vulpera porn.?????? Or you think that people who dont want them for that reason are stupid. I dont know who you are quoting and what you are talking about really.

[huth]

I have created some of that R34. I'm well aware it exists. Whether someone might get a boner has never been the point of contention, which just makes this entire line of reasoning overly specific denial. Which is just hilarious.

"I'd prefer if they didn't add them. They just look like stupid furry bait to me"

"You think just because they're foxes people want to have sex with them? nobody was even talking about having sex with them before you got here. Plus a lot of other people have thought about having sex with WoW characters too, so it wouldn't even be all that weird to want to have sex with vulpera. Which I don't. You brought that up. Weirdo"

Kindly find somebody actually saying that. Or just shut up and accept that it's you thinking that.

[Eapoe]

Personally, I find them cute and think it's awesome that Blizzard is adding them. If they act vicious and underhanded that's a plus for me as well, as the 2 sides of the same coin thing is always an interesting twist.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I want to gangbang with them, but they are very cute, much in the same way that people can say children or animals or virtually anything is cute without it having sexual tones.
It's like Gnomes. I think they are cute and funny but I don't want to run into an RP server inn.
If other people are into that, it's their business, as long as they aren't running out and molesting real animals.

[Kathranis]

Lmao you really want to stretch the argument that far? since there was no lore before third warcraft game? Really?

Most of the wow lore was established in the original warcraft games which makes the whole game so damm good. But I can see where this is going. Some people think wow lore is comparable to warcraft lore. The biggest difference in wow lore compared to warcraft lore is that alot of wow lore doesn't go further than wow. Things just appear to be there all the time without any knowledge for thousands of years the warcraft universe has existed.

I can't even understand what point you're trying to make.

Warcraft III came out in 2002, WoW came out in 2004.

How is Blizzard introducing Kalimdor and tauren in 2002 any different from Blizzard introducing Zandalar and vulpera in 2018?

They're both animal races we'd never heard of before on continents we'd never fucking been to before.

[Corroc]

I can't even understand what point you're trying to make.

Warcraft III came out in 2002, WoW came out in 2004.

How is Blizzard introducing Kalimdor and tauren in 2002 any different from Blizzard introducing Zandalar and vulpera in 2018?

They're both animal races we'd never heard of before on continents we'd never fucking been to before.

Zandalar never heard? Yeah I'm done with you.

[Sundreamer]

anyone else finds it wierd that...

clickbait titles still exist instead of informative titles?

[Rukario]

Lmao, the first time it came up i had to search what was a furry...i think the Vulpera look ugly, but just because they use the Goblin body.
I don't really care that much for them, but they give me hope that we might still get Sethrak as an allied race.

[Kathranis]

Zandalar never heard? Yeah I'm done with you.

Where did I say Zandalar was never heard of? English isn't your first language, is it?

Tauren didn't exist before Warcraft III. Neither did night elves, tuskarr, or dozens of other races. Kalimdor and Northrend didn't exist either. Blizzard invented all that stuff and put it in the game for the first time in 2002, without even having hinted at it beforehand.

Why is it okay for Blizzard to add tauren in WC3, but it's not okay to add vulpera in BfA?

[huth]

Where did I say Zandalar was never heard of? English isn't your first language, is it?

Tauren didn't exist before Warcraft III. Neither did night elves, tuskarr, or dozens of other races. Kalimdor and Northrend didn't exist either. Blizzard invented all that stuff and put it in the game for the first time in 2002, without even having hinted at it beforehand.

Why is it okay for Blizzard to add tauren in WC3, but it's not okay to add vulpera in BfA?

Because otherwise his argument doesn't work. Not that this actually changes anything. It still doesn't work since he's just introducing arbitrary distinctions engineered to get the result he wants.

[m4xc4v413r4]

I noticed the same type of "phenomena" the other day on a reddit thread when people were complaining about racism on an old Disney video that I never thought of as being racist in any way, which show they were pretty much the ones that made it look racist. It just made me thing that they're probably the ones who are racist (even though they won't admit it to them selves), because if they weren't they wouldn't see racism on every single thing.

Seen it too with sexism etc, so I guess this is the same thing. It's just people projecting their own prejudices.

[Dispraise]

You create SFM porn but you are still against Vulpera because furries might get hard on and create/ fantasize to Vulpera porn.??????

I'm against Vulpera because I think they're fucking stupid. I don't care if people fap to vulpera porn. That has never been the point. Calling them furry bait is not a commentary on their sex appeal.

Kindly find somebody actually saying that. Or just shut up and accept that it's you thinking that.

Kindly eat a dick, random poster I've never seen before and to whom I owe absolutely nothing.

[Corroc]

Where did I say Zandalar was never heard of? English isn't your first language, is it?

You literally wroted this

How is Blizzard introducing Kalimdor and tauren in 2002 any different from Blizzard introducing Zandalar and vulpera in 2018?

What exactly did you mean then? Elaborate?

Tauren didn't exist before Warcraft III. Neither did night elves, tuskarr, or dozens of other races. Kalimdor and Northrend didn't exist either. Blizzard invented all that stuff and put it in the game for the first time in 2002, without even having hinted at it beforehand.

Why is it okay for Blizzard to add tauren in WC3, but it's not okay to add vulpera in BfA?

Maybe because blizzard actually established most of the history of the warcraft world in the original warcraft games. World of warcraft has been just continuation of the already established lore. I mean everyone knew there was kul tiras and zandalar somewhere. Those two were already established lore. Now we are just exploring it bit more. Honestly if vulpera was just NPC I wouldn't mind so much, there are alot of npc's that dont have much lore. Which is understandable because they are npc's. They dont need the lore. But giving us race and telling "it was there all along but no one ever mentioned it anywhere".

Lets see if you can answer this without flaming about my english which is fine. You would think someone living in US understands english.

[huth]

Kindly eat a dick, random poster I've never seen before and to whom I owe absolutely nothing.

So you're just strawmanning and immediately resorting to insults when called out on it.

Maybe because blizzard actually established most of the history of the warcraft world in the original warcraft games. World of warcraft has been just continuation of the already established lore.

Most? Maybe 5-10% at most. Besides, WC2 and 3 just continued the lore established in WC1. That's rather normal for works set in the same 'verse.

[Veluren]

Maybe because blizzard actually established most of the history of the warcraft world in the original warcraft games. World of warcraft has been just continuation of the already established lore. I mean everyone knew there was kul tiras and zandalar somewhere. Those two were already established lore. Now we are just exploring it bit more. Honestly if vulpera was just NPC I wouldn't mind so much, there are alot of npc's that dont have much lore. Which is understandable because they are npc's. They dont need the lore. But giving us race and telling "it was there all along but no one ever mentioned it anywhere".

That age, however, is ending.

Once this expansion is over we'll have likely dealt with Azshara, possibly N'zoth. Either way the Legion is basically done for, all the domestic threats are mostly dealt with, the new big bad guys are the Voidlords who were introduced early in Vanilla but not established as an entity or threat until Draenor, the only other issue potentially being Bolvar going off the deep end, but that's still not the Lich King from classic WoW.

The era of relying on WC1-3 nostalgia is in its sunset, it's time to bring new into the game, new races, new factions, new lore, new lands.

[Corroc]

Most? Maybe 5-10% at most. Besides, WC2 and 3 just continued the lore established in WC1. That's rather normal for works set in the same 'verse.

No, they added to the lore stuff that wasn't there. Wow hasn't been doing that. It has just expanded the lore.

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That age, however, is ending.

Once this expansion is over we'll have likely dealt with Azshara, possibly N'zoth. Either way the Legion is basically done for, all the domestic threats are mostly dealt with, the new big bad guys are the Voidlords who were introduced early in Vanilla but not established as an entity or threat until Draenor, the only other issue potentially being Bolvar going off the deep end, but that's still not the Lich King from classic WoW.

The era of relying on WC1-3 nostalgia is in its sunset, it's time to bring new into the game, new races, new factions, new lore, new lands.

Old gods and void lords are pretty much the only thing left if you read the chronicles. Unless they come up with story in the existing world. Its decision between adding things or making more story in the expanding world. Vanilla was good example of just expanding the world. We didn't get anything "new" like we have had in the expansions after that.

[Schattenlied]

um excuse me, there was REALLY INTENSE LORE in the smaller half of the dwarven mortar unit in WC3

"Come on, shorty." "On our way!"

I'm not sure it was ever even actually said that "shorty" is a gnome... Model kinda just looks like they are both dwarves.

[huth]

No, they added to the lore stuff that wasn't there. Wow hasn't been doing that. It has just expanded the lore.

Except it added more stuff that wasn't there than the other three combined. You just keep glossing over it. Half of Kalimdor didn't exist before WoW, and neither did Gnomeregan. Most of Northrends zones weren't even hinted at. The only thing we knew about Pandaria was the name and that Pandaren live there.

And even adding completely new stuff is still "just expanding the lore". For that matter, expanding the lore of something is necessarily also "adding stuff that wasn't there".