Maryland School Shooter stopped by hero with gun

[Heladys]

What I meant was there has been much more than one guy who stopped a shooter with his gun, but CNN cannot talk about it cuz it would hurt their agenda.

But I do agree about cowards with guns, specially when it's their job to protect others.
For those who buy guns to shoot for fun at shooting range or for hunting, it's not their duty.

There have been vastly and disproportionately more where either the "good guy" wasn't any damn good and buckled in cowardice, or wasn't any good and accidentally shot an innocent, or wasn't any good and didn't do a damn thing but distract law enforcement when they got on scene.

It's pure and utter delusion to think that the truly rare instances of a "good guy" legitimately being any damn good and legitimately having any training to deal with an active shooter situation and legitimately having the stones to do anything are in any way indicative of a larger opportunity. They are by far the exception, and a vanishing small one.

[Swalload]

Not biased at all. Guns are designed to kill. Having one makes it easier for you to kill someone than if you had none. Thats just a fact.

Never said it's not a fact. It is and I agree with you.
It doesn't change the fact that the problem is not having a gun, the problem is wanting to kill others. This problem will still be there even if you remove all guns, because guns are not the source of the problem, they are just a tool among many others used to act on the tendencies caused by the real problem.

People don't kill because they have a gun, if that was the case the death toll in the US would be insanely higher. There's more guns than people in the US.

You have to think beyond this utopia where you believe we can just push a button and all guns will disappear and suddenly everyoen will live happily together. That doesn't exist.
If you want to remove all guns you have to realize that this needs to be done by the government. That means the government needs to become viewed as tyrannical, cancels the 2A, hire people who will go physically knock on doors and ask to confiscate (steal) law abiding citizen's guns. The government will need to equip these employees with guns so they can defend themselves against pro 2A people who will have guns ready waiting for the tyrannical government to knock on their door and these people will be more than happy to use their 2A right to do exactly what it was designed for: fight against the tyrannical government.

People will die, a lot of people will die just to confiscate all guns. It's not a logical step considering the current state of the country. So whenever you think about "the world would be a better place without gun" first think about the current situation of the world, don't skip a step and start daydreaming about things that can't happen.

Everyone on the planet would rather live in pure peace without any violence, even people who are hunting with guns and shooting them for fun. Normal people don't buy guns to kill others and these people don't deserve to be punished or have their properties stolen by the government just because you dream of a better world that completely ignores the real world.

There are people out there, who own guns and live a better and more peaceful life than you and me. Why should these people be punished?

Answer this question, and also answer the previous question that you have dodges twice already please, it's not a fucking trap, I want to know your view on these because they concern the majority of people affected by this: gun owners who did nothing wrong and will do nothing wrong.

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Unless it's a Remington 700, that is.

Lol yeah, that's kind of another story but yeah :P

[willtron]

LOL 100s of examples showing the opposite - ignored.
1 example showing a lucky break - and suddenly we have 'proof'.

OMG ... can that many people really be that silly ?

It's America.

Does that answer your question?

[Aggrophobic]

Never said it's not a fact. It is and I agree with you.
It doesn't change the fact that the problem is not having a gun, the problem is wanting to kill others. This problem will still be there even if you remove all guns, because guns are not the source of the problem, they are just a tool among many others used to act on the tendencies caused by the real problem.

People don't kill because they have a gun, if that was the case the death toll in the US would be insanely higher. There's more guns than people in the US.

You have to think beyond this utopia where you believe we can just push a button and all guns will disappear and suddenly everyoen will live happily together. That doesn't exist.
If you want to remove all guns you have to realize that this needs to be done by the government. That means the government needs to become viewed as tyrannical, cancels the 2A, hire people who will go physically knock on doors and ask to confiscate (steal) law abiding citizen's guns. The government will need to equip these employees with guns so they can defend themselves against pro 2A people who will have guns ready waiting for the tyrannical government to knock on their door and these people will be more than happy to use their 2A right to do exactly what it was designed for: fight against the tyrannical government.

People will die, a lot of people will die just to confiscate all guns. It's not a logical step considering the current state of the country. So whenever you think about "the world would be a better place without gun" first think about the current situation of the world, don't skip a step and start daydreaming about things that can't happen.

Everyone on the planet would rather live in pure peace without any violence, even people who are hunting with guns and shooting them for fun. Normal people don't buy guns to kill others and these people don't deserve to be punished or have their properties stolen by the government just because you dream of a better world that completely ignores the real world.

There are people out there, who own guns and live a better and more peaceful life than you and me. Why should these people be punished?

Answer this question, and also answer the previous question that you have dodges twice already please, it's not a fucking trap, I want to know your view on these because they concern the majority of people affected by this: gun owners who did nothing wrong and will do nothing wrong.

You can't change how people work. You can take away the tools to hurt others though. At least restrict the ones that server only one purpose. Or at the very least, restrict who can buy them and what sort.

[TheFirstOnes]

That's how ya do it.

"But, 2 People got shot."

Could've been more, if you want to apply that same Logic. However, it wasn't.

[Torrasque]

I love how "Hero with a gun" is just buzzword for "police officer actually doing his job." Gotta love celebrating mediocrity.

[pinelakias]

LUL And you think that this changes anything? Complete horseshit. Any kind of idiot can just go buy a gun from the local walmart and just visit a school. US, the land of the stupid. PS. Dont forget the part that the specific idiot shot 2 people and 1 of them is in critical condition. Overall, guns=nono!

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Everyone on the planet would rather live in pure peace without any violence, even people who are hunting with guns and shooting them for fun. Normal people don't buy guns to kill others and these people don't deserve to be punished or have their properties stolen by the government just because you dream of a better world that completely ignores the real world.

There are people out there, who own guns and live a better and more peaceful life than you and me. Why should these people be punished?

First of all, guns are not toys!
Nor should they be used to "have fun".

Guns are serious.

You are brainswashed to see guns as toys. THEY ARE NOT.

Normal people don't buy guns to kill others and these people don't deserve to be punished or have their properties stolen by the government just because you dream of a better world

"this people dont deserve to "suffer" (lol) just because you dream of a better world"

Suffer?
What kind of suffering does the person losing a gun in their hands take? Its not a toy.
Your culture is messed up.

There is a "greater good" by removing guns. The greater good of a peaceful world.
If not completely peaceful...it will at least be a little more peaceful than 17 school shootings from January to March

[Swalload]

Oh my god...you are brainwashed

Guns are made to kill people.
People kill people, sure.
But people are also stupid.

Have you heard the expression "its like giving a gun to a kid"
Well...some grown ups are "kids".
People are insane.

If you give a gun to everyone...tragedy is bound to happen because the majority of people are stupid.

In this case is the fault of the "parents" (government) for giving guns to "kids" and "grown up kids"

So if you had a gnu in your hands right now, the odds of you shooting someone would go higher. Meaning you are so weak minded that having a specific item in your hands could possibly give you murderous tendencies? Or you think everyone else but you is weak minded and could become a murderer with a gun in their hands?

Do you realize that the amount of legally owned guns in the US is higher than the amount of people in the US? So why aren't people dying all the time? (contrary to what CNN wants you to think, it's not as bad as they say it is)
For all these reasons:
1) Most gun owners are actually responsible, not fucking crazy, you think the situation is different because YOU are brainwashed into thinking so.
2) People don't become murderers when they come in contact with a gun.
3) Guns don't kill people, bad people find a way to acquire a gun(or something else) to act on their muderous tendencies.
4) There's no way to count the amount of people who would have been killed by a shooter if that shooter is shot before acting on it, and that number is bigger than you think.
5) Most gun owners have their gun in a safe place and nothing bad happens, but that doesn't make interesting headlines to talk about the million people who know how to stash their gun, let's talk about the microscopic minority who let a loaded gun around the house.


No one is GIVING guns to anyone, some states have looser background checks and shit and this needs to be fixed I completely agree, but many states also do things correctly, it's not all out free guns for everyone. Just try to understand both sides here, it's not good guy without guns VS bad guys gun owners, that's completely fucking stupid and close minded.

[Stormdash]

I love how "Hero with a gun" is just buzzword for "police officer actually doing his job." Gotta love celebrating mediocrity.

Well, since we've got so many on the anti-gun left who argued strongly, after Parkland, that what this SRO did it NOT actually a police officer's job, he probably still deserves a bit of credit.

Casualties from the shooting today -- 1 student in critical condition, 1 in stable condition. The gun control narrative that armed defense in schools can't keep students safe or save lives was found dead at the scene.

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So if you had a gnu in your hands right now, the odds of you shooting someone would go higher. Meaning you are so weak minded that having a specific item in your hands could possibly give you murderous tendencies? Or you think everyone else but you is weak minded and could become a murderer with a gun in their hands?

Do you realize that the amount of legally owned guns in the US is higher than the amount of people in the US? So why aren't people dying all the time? (contrary to what CNN wants you to think, it's not as bad as they say it is)
For all these reasons:
1) Most gun owners are actually responsible, not fucking crazy, you think the situation is different because YOU are brainwashed into thinking so.
2) People don't become murderers when they come in contact with a gun.
3) Guns don't kill people, bad people find a way to acquire a gun(or something else) to act on their muderous tendencies.
4) There's no way to count the amount of people who would have been killed by a shooter if that shooter is shot before acting on it, and that number is bigger than you think.
5) Most gun owners have their gun in a safe place and nothing bad happens, but that doesn't make interesting headlines to talk about the million people who know how to stash their gun, let's talk about the microscopic minority who let a loaded gun around the house.


No one is GIVING guns to anyone, some states have looser background checks and shit and this needs to be fixed I completely agree, but many states also do things correctly, it's not all out free guns for everyone. Just try to understand both sides here, it's not good guy without guns VS bad guys gun owners, that's completely fucking stupid and close minded.

All im saying is that "if you give a gun to EVERYONE, it's bound to fall on the wrong hands"

Solution: Dont give guns to everyone

You are literally giving guns to kids. Cant you see how bad this is?

[plagueshard801]

Let's ban knives too since you can easily bring and knife and stab people in a school.

Did I say anything about banning anything? What are you going on about exactly? Are you just assuming I am attacking guns?

[Sunseeker]

A "School Resource Officer" is a cop.

[Heladys]

That's how ya do it.

"But, 2 People got shot."

Could've been more, if you want to apply that same Logic. However, it wasn't.

Yes, and we should all be thankful for that. However, efforts to make this into something more are still stupid at best, sinister and misguided at worst.

[Torrasque]

Well, since we've got so many on the anti-gun left who argued strongly, after Parkland, that what this SRO did it NOT actually a police officer's job, he probably still deserves a bit of credit.

Casualties from the shooting today -- 1 student in critical condition, 1 in stable condition. The gun control narrative that armed defense in schools can't keep students safe or save lives was found dead at the scene.

I didn't say that he didn't deserve credit. However, this is obviously wordplay in light of the current situation.

However, I would argue whether or not it was his responsibility, This is why we pay taxes to fund his paycheck, this is the meaning of his career. It's celebrating something that should be done already, passively, therefore mundane and moot as a real point.

[HumbleDuck]

Someone got hit by lightning on seven different occasions and survived all of them.
Let's go get hit by some lightning yo!

[Tijuana]

The story is developing, seems that a school resource officer shot the shooter in time.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...school-n858186

Another case of this that the left will quickly forget, and then make wild claims that it never happens. It's good to see not all law enforcement behaves like the Coward County Sheriff.

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The US is full of fat and lazy fucks. All of those things took effort. Fat and lazy fucks love their guns too, makes them feel like real men.

infracted - trolling

Comments like this are why the US cares little for what the rest of the world thinks of us.

This might be the first ever infraction for nation bashing the US, here at MMO-C.

[Bodakane]

I thought the shooter was only trying to shoot the two kids he shot.

If he shot the two kids he wanted to shoot, how do we classify that as a win?

[Swalload]

First of all, guns are not toys!
Nor should they be used to "have fun".

Guns are serious.

You are brainswashed to see guns as toys. THEY ARE NOT.



"this people dont deserve to "suffer" (lol) just because you dream of a better world"

Suffer?
What kind of suffering does the person losing a gun in their hands take? Its not a toy.
Your culture is messed up.

There is a "greater good" by removing guns. The greater good of a peaceful world.
If not completely peaceful...it will at least be a little more peaceful than 17 school shootings from January to March

I never said suffer. Stick to the words I use and don't try to find a message that is not there. Having your properties taken away from you is a punishment, which is not right when you did nothing wrong. Punishment does not mean physical suffering like you try to imply.

Now hear this (fake numbers just for the sake of the example): 100 million responsible gun owners lose the guns they owned for several years, they did nothing wrong, they are mentally stable and never would have done anything wrong. The total amount of death per year changed from 1000 to 1000. That's right, removing guns from people who would have never done anything wrong and are responsible for making sure it stays in a safe place does not change the amount of people killed per year because all these millions of guns are never put in a situation where they can be used to kill someone.

That's because the people who first have murderous tendencies BEFORE BEING NEAR ANY FIREARM will find a way to act on these tendencies, either by acquiring a gun or using something else.

Making it harder for people to acquire guns can effectively reduce the amount of death per year. Removing guns that are not in a dangerous space cannot possibly make any change since they would never be used for that in the first place.

You should go to a shooting range, at least once. You don't even need to shoot, you can if you want. But just look at people, they are having fun shooting at targets, they're not putting anyone in danger. Why would you have a problem with that? Are you constantly imagining a situation where a crazy person breaks into a gun owner's house to get a gun and then go shoot a school? Is that what is constantly going on in your head to make you think that all guns on earth need to disappear?

Also take a minute or 10 or 60 or 3 days to think very carefully about what nation wide gun confiscation really means.
It means the government has to announce a decision to do this officially.
It means people will see this as a tyrannical government, so according to the 2A they have the right to fight against it and use firepower if needed.
It means people can go out in the street and pretty much shoot at anyone threatening their 2A rights.
So the government will need to hire (and equip with guns) tons of people to go knock on doors to literally steal law abiding citizen's properties. These people hired won't be pro-gun because they wouldn't participate in something they are against. However the anti-gun people who would be most likely willing to be part of that are indeed AGAINST guns, which means they never shot a gun before, have no training whatsoever, so their chances of getting shot by a pro-gun person practicing his 2A right are pretty high. Lots of people will die.

So now the planned situation splits into 2, do you really want people with shit training and no motivation to use a gun go out and get killed while trying o take away the guns of law abiding citizens, or as a government do you get your military out in the street to straight up attack people in their home ot take their guns?

People will fight back, people will die, it will be a fucking shitshow, the entire planet will look at it in disgust.

In the end people will still be divided, still have murderous tendencies, still kill others with illegal or smuggled guns or with something else. Imagine if people just start making homemade bombs. The problem won't be solved, they will be a bit less deaths in the following years but will it make up for the thousands of people who died during the confiscation? Not to mention all this shit will cost a lot of cash, either hiring people or deploying the military, disposing of all the guns because they need to be destroyed otherwise they still exist so the extreme left won't be satisfied (do it right or don't do it at all, you know), funerals for all the dead people killed during this, etc. Hi2u higher taxes to make up for it.

From this point on the people will have trouble trusting the government, thinking it can go against any of the amendments anytime they want.

Your little dream of "let's take guns away" and poof guns are gone does not exist, will never happen. You have to take the current state of the American society into consideration and make the right moves, and the right moves do not include nation wide gun confiscation very obviously.

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You can't change how people work. You can take away the tools to hurt others though. At least restrict the ones that server only one purpose. Or at the very least, restrict who can buy them and what sort.

Taking away doesn't work, I've said it many times and again just above ^

Restricting can work very well tho and I strongly believe they should do that.

Also guns serve more than one purpose, I'm not saying they're a family tool that everyone should have fun using, but they are also used for hunting and any fun shooting activities like shooting range and shooting that flying disc I forgot the name in english my bad.

Of course the other uses for guns other than killing people don't make up for the tragedy, I'm just saying it's pointless to force your agenda into lies, guns are used for more than one thing, no need to twist that around to fit your narrative.

[TheFirstOnes]

Yes, and we should all be thankful for that. However, efforts to make this into something more are still stupid at best, sinister and misguided at worst.

Honestly, i'm glad the Officer did something. Now, we just have to move on.