Maryland School Shooter stopped by hero with gun

[Kaleredar]

It starts in the home. Which is where we need to start looking. Too many kids growing up with ether no good models to look up to or just irresponsible parents. The patterns are there.

Well unfortunately we have nothing on place to test your assumption or suggest ways to address it, because any funding for looking into the matter is blocked.

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You forgot to mention, the reason why they weren't allowed to use funding, is because the head of the CDC was a known anti-gun, and there was something about them seeing guns as nothing but a useless virus if I remember correctly. It was clear that at the time, any study would not be considered as had been with no bias, so it would have be useless.

Well we'll never know will we?

Meanwhile all we have to show for it is that the republican plan of "do nothing" hasn't worked.

[Ghostpanther]

You should probably read the full thing before responding, would realize a lot of what you are talking about is from the quoting function not working appropriately. But I agree, no gun registration, its been proven to not work and just be a money sink. Also agree on the 21 age restriction, no go unless you also raise a lot of things such as requirement to register for draft and shouldn't be legally held as an adult(but as a minor) if you aren't viewed as an adult.

No one should be able to purchase a firearm, either at a vendor or private sale, without having to go through a background check.

I would bet a lot of current NRA members, might not have joined as a lifetime member if they knew what the NRA would have become today. NRA only fights for the 2nd amendment right anymore, not for the individual(that is just a by product) but for the corporations that make money from the sales. If the rumors are true about them advocating violence in regards to the Florida shootings against the kids calling for gun reform, they are by definition 100% a terrorist organization and should be treated as such. Also, used to be a NRA member, with a long history of family members there were apart of the NRA BTW.

I read it. What I have down in my quote from you, is exactly what is in your post. What part of your post did I note quote?

You do not know how many are life time members. So you are just assuming. They still do and after Sandy Hook, they were gaining 8k new members every day for a while.
If the rumors were true, they would be a terror group. But rumors are like flies. :P Not saying I agree with them all the time, but overall, they offer a lot of services for gun owners.

You are free to feel otherwise, but I am also free to object if I disagree.

[Stormdash]

Want private background checks, how about give private citizens the option of using NICS if they choose. Currently only FFLs have access to the NICS system. Compelling all transfers to happen through an FFL is a low probability of satisfying constitutional scrutiny. Remember, firearms are their own liberty interest, but they are also property, in which we have a general liberty interest, including the ability to sell, trade, or dispose of it. Limiting that liberty has to have a better argument than "because guns".

[Ghostpanther]

Well unfortunately we have nothing on place to test your assumption or suggest ways to address it, because any funding for looking into the matter is blocked.

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Well we'll never know will we?

Meanwhile all we have to show for it is that the republican plan of "do nothing" hasn't worked.

I agree with that. There should be funding made available for a study. But I think the results of such a study, will be just about impossible to fix when the cause is deeply rooted into society as a whole.

Both parties are guilty.

[Shadowferal]

We wouldn't need a hero with a gun if the bad guy didn't have a gun in the first place....

yeah...and bad guys will legally purchase guns too...

[Jastall]

That's how ya do it.

"But, 2 People got shot."

Could've been more, if you want to apply that same Logic. However, it wasn't.

Could have been 0 people if the shooter didn't have easy access to a firearm. That's even better in my books.

[Ghostpanther]

Oh right, I forgot that all of the countries that don't have mass shootings have responsible parents and good role models for every kid.

????

This is the same kind of garbage that people push about video games.

GUNS ARE THE VARIABLE.

Maybe those other countries do have stronger family units. But like the mass school shooter in Fla, a history of family discord, was a factor. If you check out the past of most criminals, the pattern of broken homes and being abused at home, is a common denominator.

[Stormdash]

We wouldn't need a hero with a gun if the bad guy didn't have a gun in the first place....

There are more guns in the United States than people. What's more, the means are readily available for people to make more for themselves with little more than a dremel tool if need be. Can't stop the signal. Stop trying to make policy around your unicorn chase and live in the world that is. In the world that is... every world that's ever been... people with evil in their hearts will find means to kill others, lots of others. Nothing stops them but opposing force. Nothing else ever has.

[TheFirstOnes]

Could have been 0 people if the shooter didn't have easy access to a firearm. That's even better in my books.

This as well.

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Sure beats the established trend of officers cowering outside and pissing themselves.

This...

This right here.

[Shadowferal]

Most countries don't come close to our population, laws, or history.

[Ghostpanther]

But that's the same in EVERY COUNTRY.

Some countries have lower crime. Period. Japan would be one. which is also known to have high family values.

[Shadowferal]

Just because we can't stop every single bad thing that happens doesn't mean we should give up and just let terrible shit keep happening when we can prevent it.

Terrible shit was prevented, and you are condemning the officer that did just that.

[Ghostpanther]

You're right, our country is only 200 years old so we should be learning from others instead of ignoring them and putting our heads in the sand.

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They also don't have readily available guns.

Well, the guns are not going anywhere or is the Second Amendment. So you deal with laws that have a realistic chance to pass or be effective. The root cause of crime needs to be addressed and stronger punishment for the offenders. Meanwhile, the law abiding citizens deserve the right to a tool to defend themselves with. The Constitution insures they do.

[Ealyssa]

Yeah but you can't get rid of guns that's the problem.

You actually totally can. Australia did it, UK did it. Just need the will to.

[Ghostpanther]

Why is that period? Do you think they have lower crime because of magic? No they have lower crime because of culture and government policy.

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Different cultures is correct. Which involves several things.

However, once again, you are not being realistic for the US. Those countries do not have to deal with the same issues we do or to the same degree. Not to mention the same restrictions. Which the Constitution restricts how far the US government can go. Even with firearm restrictions.

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First of all the constitution can be amended, but ignoring that, the constitution still allows for regulation of rights when deemed necessary by the populace, and there are still plenty of regulations that would help keep guns out of the hands of bad people while allowing good people to defend themselves.

Yes it can be amended. Go for it.

I agree some improvements to gun control are in order, such as strong enforcement of the laws we have and background check improvements. But I am sure we will always disagree how far to take gun control.

[Polyxo]

You mean by a trained professional with a gun.

[Ghostpanther]

You actually totally can. Australia did it, UK did it. Just need the will to.

How many guns did Australia have to get rid of?

[Ghostpanther]

I said different cultures AND GOVERNMENT POLICY.

And I addressed your AND GOVERNMENT POLICY. lol!

[Shadowferal]

Policy changes only when people do.
Australia got scared of their guns.
US is scared of government.

[sam86]

No guns at all and you won't need "heroes with guns".

don't try to use logic pls