China's raw coal output up in 2017

[NED funded]

Truly a uniquely forward looking government.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/201..._137050803.htm

BEIJING, March 19 (Xinhua) -- China's raw coal output rose in 2017 due to rebounding demand and high-quality capacity, according to the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) Monday.

In 2017, the output of raw coal stood at 3.52 billion tonnes, up 3.3 percent from the previous year, the NBS said in a statement.

The reading marks the first positive growth since 2014, after the 2016 figure hit a six-year low.

China's crude oil output dropped 4.1 percent year on year to 191.5 million tonnes in 2017.

The decline eased by 2.8 percentage points from the drop in 2016, NBS data showed.

In contrast, natural gas output grew 8.2 percent year on year to hit 148 billion cubic meters, 6.5 percentage points higher than last year's growth.

The increase was driven by vigorous domestic demand for natural gas, after coal consumption dropped and coal-to-gas heating conversion projects proceeded, according to the NBS.

China's imports of crude oil surged beyond 400 million tonnes in 2017, while imports of natural gas rose 26.9 percent year on year to 94.6 billion cubic meters, according to the General Administration of Customs.

[Dug]

Country trying to reach first world status through major industrialization uses lots of fossil fuels. Who woulda thunk

[Deleted]

Well takes what it takes when you're the 1st global superpower

[Deldavala]

Well their Energy demand is rising, since more and more people are coming out of Poverty/lower class and into the booming middle class.

They are uniquely forward looking government, seeing as they are investing more into green energy and Nuclear than any other country in the world. This to quench the thirst for future energy demands.

[NED funded]

Well their Energy demand is rising, since more and more people are coming out of Poverty/lower class and into the booming middle class.

They are uniquely forward looking government, seeing as they are investing more into green energy and Nuclear than any other country in the world. This to quench the thirst for future energy demands.

This was in the midst of China supply-side reform....

[Kapadons]

When trump promised to bring back coal jobs, he was talking about China ....

[Deldavala]

This was in the midst of China supply-side reform....

So? They are rebalancing their economic profile, more people can move to the cities and find jobs aka more people can use more energy.

[PC2]

Well their Energy demand is rising, since more and more people are coming out of Poverty/lower class and into the booming middle class.

They are uniquely forward looking government, seeing as they are investing more into green energy and Nuclear than any other country in the world. This to quench the thirst for future energy demands.

So it's okay to be the worst polluter as long as you have the most green assets? I have no problem with that but don't complain when CO2 PPM goes over 500.

[Draco-Onis]

So it's okay to be the worst polluter as long as you have the most green assets? I have no problem with that but don't complain when CO2 PPM goes over 500.

How are they the worst polluter? are you taking into account their population?

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...high_desc=true

[Deldavala]

So it's okay to be the worst polluter as long as you have the most green assets? I have no problem with that but don't complain when CO2 PPM goes over 500.

They are not the worst polluter per capita, they are about twice the pollution of the US with almost 5 times the population. They are rapidly going upwards in pollution per capita, but their green assets will hopefully help out in that regard.

The most polluted cities isnt even Chinese, most are indian/Pakistani

[NED funded]

So? They are rebalancing their economic profile, more people can move to the cities and find jobs aka more people can use more energy.

Most of this demand comes from industrial output, the entire point of the supply side reform was to lower that industrial output as China has an overcapacity problem with a good chunk of zombie factories and have SOEs become more profitable. The fact that coal rose, not only shows the failure of that policy but a failure of China to commit to proper environmental policies, while in the US emissions are continuing to drop and coal plants are actually being removed out of service.

[Saverem]

Truly a uniquely forward looking government.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/201..._137050803.htm

Problem is we have too many people on this planet. We need another world war to trim the hedges.

[PC2]

They are not the worst polluter per capita, they are about twice the pollution of the US with almost 5 times the population. They are rapidly going upwards in pollution per capita, but their green assets will hopefully help out in that regard.

The most polluted cities isnt even Chinese, most are indian/Pakistani

Per capita stats are irrelevant for environmental issues like climate change, it's only effected by aggregate stats.

[Deldavala]

Most of this demand comes from industrial output, the entire point of the supply side reform was to lower that industrial output as China has an overcapacity problem with a good chunk of zombie factories and have SOEs become more profitable. The fact that coal rose, not only shows the failure of that policy but a failure of China to commit to proper environmental policies, while in the US emissions are continuing to drop and coal plants are actually being removed out of service.

Well if you know anything about economics, you would know that huge macro economic changes like a supply-side reform doesnt happen overnight. And with a growing demand in the population you will see a increase in energy spending.

[Draco-Onis]

Per capita stats are irrelevant for environmental issues like climate change, it's only effected by aggregate stats.

More people equals more pollution it's you know logic since people and their needs is what creates the pollution that results in climate change. Come now I know you are smarter than this your anti China sentiments are clouding your judgement.

[LMuhlen]

It was an increase compared to 2016, which was the lowest consumption level in 6 years. Doesn't mean they aren't overall on a downward track, it's one point out of track after 4 years of decline.

At the same time, gas consumption increased much more, so the coal share continues to drop.

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Per capita stats are irrelevant for environmental issues like climate change, it's only effected by aggregate stats.

If they divide into 2 countries, Eastern China and Western China, each with half the pollution generation, will they stop being a relevant pollution source? Per capita matters.

It matters because you can say pollution is comparable to other countries, their issue is a too large population.

[PC2]

More people equals more pollution it's you know logic since people and their needs is what creates the pollution that results in climate change. Come now I know you are smarter than this your anti China sentiments are clouding your judgement.

Okay are you saying China actually needs that coal and isn't just burning it because the fossil fuel industry is suppressing better renewable technology?

[Deldavala]

Per capita stats are irrelevant for environmental issues like climate change, it's only effected by aggregate stats.

Well its the total global output that is relevant for climate change, but who are we to judge a higher population country for how they tackle their industrial revolution?

Per capita is also important since it says something about the energy/pollution spendings in a set culture. Seeing as Chinese spend much less per person on average is a good fundament to predict their future spendings. Will it become as high as Americans? Doubt it. Will it become similiar to European high spenders? Maybe. And with that taken into account they will hopefully adjust their energy mixture so it will be greener than the European counterparts.

China is now building tons of new Nuclear reactors, investing heavily in Solar, Wind and Hydro. While also investing more in gas so that their future energy expendure will be met by something other than coal. That said coal is currently by far the most Power per RMB, and is also more stable than wind and solar.

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Okay are you saying China actually needs that coal and isn't just burning it because the fossil fuel industry is suppressing better renewable technology?

They are investing in new tech, but that takes time to ramp up to the needs of almost 1.4 Billion people.

[NED funded]

It was an increase compared to 2016, which was the lowest consumption level in 6 years. Doesn't mean they aren't overall on a downward track, it's one point out of track after 4 years of decline.

At the same time, gas consumption increased much more, so the coal share continues to drop.

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If they divide into 2 countries, Eastern China and Western China, each with half the pollution generation, will they stop being a relevant pollution source? Per capita matters.

It matters because you can say pollution is comparable to other countries, their issue is a too large population.

Reminder that Trinidad and Tobago are the third biggest polluter per capita.

And also, for the record, the emissions per capita of eastern China would spike.

[PC2]

They are investing in new tech, but that takes time to ramp up to the needs of almost 1.4 Billion people.

I see, I guess green tech requires patience.