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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    It is sadly a deeply ignored statistic in the west how many men are raped, and won't come forward, hiding it in shame, fear, or just disbelief that a man could be be a victim.
    How do you know? If they are not actually telling anyone about it.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by tyrlaan View Post
    Reminds me of a movie I saw many moons ago, "40 Days and 40 Nights". The plot of this movie is that the main character gives up sex for lent. The "twist" ending is that, while tied down (and super drunk as well I think) on a bed so he doesn't run out and hump something on day 39, his ex-girlfriend jumps on him so she can win the bet on which day he would break his streak.

    Yeah, so he gets raped by his ex. But instead of calling it like it is, instead the main character gets all kinds of shit from his new love interest because it was his fault.

    At the time I was furious at the movie. Now, a twisted part of me wishes that dudes that can't let go of the "she asked for it" mentality are forced to watch the ending.



    Your statement would be correct if you used the word "shouldn't" instead of "can't". The reality is clearly that people can and will label themselves as they see fit, regardless of accuracy. Which causes a lot of problems, especially for the group they are falsely representing. And honestly, I don't think there's any real answers on how to stop it. The "best" idea that comes to mind would be for members of a group/organization to come down hard on those who use and abuse their term/label/brand, but I'd never argue that such an approach would be easy.

    Now the flip side of this is...



    Aye some feminists probably do think this way. There are extremists pretty much everywhere. The key is to recognize that just because someone claims to be a thing doesn't mean that their interpretation of that thing includes their interpretation.

    So, for example, Player Twelve can totally claim to be a potato, but since we know what a potato is, we can also use logic to recognize that Player Twelve is indeed not a potato.
    The problem is if the other "Femenists" do not dispute them, single them out or seperate them selves from those that make such extremists claims then they will be seen as part of the norm.

    But back to the thread topic lets just all agree that any form of Rape is very very bad and should be prosecuted to the fullest.
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    I'll be honest men being raped is not psychologically the same as women getting raped. I've seen a few studies, most men are not traumatised if they are raped in adulthood, where as women are. Something like 13% of male adult rape victims respond that their rape has Greatly negatively impacted their life as opposed to 71% of women. A large number of men almost a third respond that that they suffer no psychological consequences from being raped as opposed to single digit women.

    More than half of men say that it was an unpleasant experience, but it wasn't a big deal.

    Not saying it's not an issue, but we're built differently. It's not the same for men.
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  4. #64
    Problem is a woman could force herself on you and make you have sex or accuse you of rape or hurting her. It is scary to be a man in this current climate even more than ever. This is why I am glad I found my wife and have no non family females in my life.
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  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Arent View Post
    I'll be honest men being raped is not psychologically the same as women getting raped. I've seen a few studies, most men are not traumatised if they are raped in adulthood, where as women are. Something like 13% of male adult rape victims respond that their rape has Greatly negatively impacted their life as opposed to 71% of women. A large number of men almost a third respond that that they suffer no psychological consequences from being raped as opposed to single digit women.

    More than half of men say that it was an unpleasant experience, but it wasn't a big deal.

    Not saying it's not an issue, but we're built differently. It's not the same for men.
    I'm skeptical of this. That sounds more like toxic masculinity leading men to claim it wasn't a big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arent View Post
    I'll be honest men being raped is not psychologically the same as women getting raped. I've seen a few studies, most men are not traumatised if they are raped in adulthood, where as women are. Something like 13% of male adult rape victims respond that their rape has Greatly negatively impacted their life as opposed to 71% of women. A large number of men almost a third respond that that they suffer no psychological consequences from being raped as opposed to single digit women.

    More than half of men say that it was an unpleasant experience, but it wasn't a big deal.

    Not saying it's not an issue, but we're built differently. It's not the same for men.
    LOL "no big deal". Riiiight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrlaan View Post
    I'm skeptical of this. That sounds more like toxic masculinity leading men to claim it wasn't a big deal.
    What?

    Toxic masculinity leading men to claim it wasn't a big deal

    Our evoltionary mating strategies developed differently of course it's not the same, women are the ones that potentially need to carry around a little baby, several years of sunk resources fathered by a potentially inadequate male.

    Men don't deal with such consequences of course men wouldn't experience rape the same as women. We don't grow children inside our wombs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by callipygoustp View Post
    LOL "no big deal". Riiiight.
    Why is this hard to believe?

    Read my other comment, if you've ever done reading on evolutionary psychology/mating strategies in human. It would make perfect sense to you.

    I am not saying women should rape men, I am saying though that men ON AVERAGE don't seem to deal with as much trauma.

    I am sure there are men who experience grave consequences, but legitimately from the study of rape victims I've read, they seem to be in the minority
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Cheese View Post
    It is the feminists fault for saying that this issue doesn't exist or it's not as big of issue because it happens to women.
    Yeah feminists are well known for ignoring rape survivors for example uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Poorly. HBO's shows aren't known for being particularly sincere in their depiction of sexual assault since it's more used for its shock value rather than for its character utility.

    When I say character utility, I don't mean turning all broody or going on a revenge quest either. Rape is very hard to depict accurately and most artists do a shitty job of it.
    I don't think you've ever seen the show. And if you have you aren't remembering it well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arent View Post
    Why is this hard to believe?

    Read my other comment, if you've ever done reading on evolutionary psychology/mating strategies in human. It would make perfect sense to you.

    I am not saying women should rape men, I am saying though that men ON AVERAGE don't seen to deal with as much trauma.

    I am sure there are men who experience grave consequences, but legitimately from the study of rape victims I've read, they seem to be in the minority
    There is no book, research paper, etc that is going to convince me that rape is not "no big deal", for anyone.
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  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Arent View Post
    What?

    Toxic masculinity leading men to claim it wasn't a big deal

    Our evoltionary mating strategies developed differently of course it's not the same, women are the ones that potentially need to carry around a little baby, several years of sunk resources fathered by a potentially inadequate male.

    Men don't deal with such consequences of course men wouldn't experience rape the same as women. We don't grow children inside our wombs.
    Violation is violation. Potentially carrying a child after being raped is a whole additional layer of possible anguish, but I feel like suggesting that its the core reason for being traumatized from rape is short-sighted.

    So yeah, toxic masculinity, to me, feels like it's at play here. Men are expected to shrug things off, never cry, be tough as nails, etc. As a guy, saying that a) you were raped and b) that it messed you up, breaks these "rules" twice over.

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Dystemper View Post
    The problem is if the other "Femenists" do not dispute them, single them out or seperate them selves from those that make such extremists claims then they will be seen as part of the norm.

    But back to the thread topic lets just all agree that any form of Rape is very very bad and should be prosecuted to the fullest.
    Generally they do, I'm not sure if there has been a subsection that includes "male rights exclusive feminist", but anything else you can find the mainstream feminist movements singling them out. You have terfs(trans exclusive radical feminists) for one big example, I'm pretty sure there is at least 2 or 3 more I have seen, but I don't keep up with the movement like I once did. This is separate from the major classifications of feminists, eco-feminists etc.

  13. #73
    A bit off topic, but I think that it's quite hilarious and sad that some countries changed their laws in a way that you have to penetrate a person w/ something, in some cases w/ a penis specifically, to actually rape a person.

    Just imagine being drugged by a woman, being fed a ton of Viagra so she could ride your dick. Technically, you can't even claim that she raped you. What's more hilarious is that she can actually acuse you of raping her
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  14. #74
    I think the 100 complaints is pretty petty to be honest, soaps have shown extreme things from Pedophilia to Murder with less complaints.

    coronation street isn't the first to do this either, 15 years ago or so there used to be a ITV program called "The Bill" it was a police drama. That had male rape in it, but the guy wasn't drugged he was just strapped down in a warehouse and taken. The follow up shows showed how it effect his mental health until the point he left the force. Later episode he came back and discussed his recover and could openly talk about it to his team.

    Pretty graphic for night time TV, but still it's just one of those things I remember clearly as it will with others, so guess it works highlighting these things.
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  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by adam86shadow View Post
    Despite the article talking about a television series I feel the message behind it is extremely important



    I also agree with this Tweet
    Rape is rape and it's sad no matter who the victims are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by callipygoustp View Post
    I don't need to read books on why rape is not "no big deal", for anyone.
    It's how the men questioned answered the question of how rape has affected their lives, it was literally "None", "Not much" for more than half of questioned men.

    There is no book on why rape is "no big deal" nor should there be.

    But I am saying that the negative experience of being raped stems from evolution, if it wer simply a man sticking one of his appendages into a non descript hole on a female without the millions of years of evolution...

    Women evolved to experience rape negatively, it means for them that they might be forced to have children with men who are unfit mates. Women who avoided getting raped had a greater chance of passing on their genes because they got the chance to pick a better partner, wih potentially more desirable traits and one who would actuslly contribute resources to their offspring.

    Meaning that women who successfully avoided rape encounters passed on their genes more often than those who didn't.

    Makes perfect evolutionary sense, men didn't need to develop this way, because we sre not the ones who risk 9 months of pregnancy and then get tied down to the child for years. We experienced different issues, we were more concerned with not having our partner cheat on us, and becoming increasingly more adapt at making sure the child was actually fathered by us, also meaning protecting our partners from being raped by other men.

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    Male rape was done years ago in desperate house wife’s was it not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrlaan View Post
    Violation is violation. Potentially carrying a child after being raped is a whole additional layer of possible anguish, but I feel like suggesting that its the core reason for being traumatized from rape is short-sighted.

    So yeah, toxic masculinity, to me, feels like it's at play here. Men are expected to shrug things off, never cry, be tough as nails, etc. As a guy, saying that a) you were raped and b) that it messed you up, breaks these "rules" twice over.
    Hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution is not short sighted.

    You are the one who lives in a modern bubble.

    Again I am not claiming male rape victims shouldn't be provided support if they wish to seek it out HOWEVER:

    1. We should not assume that men experience rape the same

    2. We shouldn't assume men who do experience serious consequences should deal with their trauma the same or be medically treated in the same manner

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrlaan View Post
    Violation is violation. Potentially carrying a child after being raped is a whole additional layer of possible anguish, but I feel like suggesting that its the core reason for being traumatized from rape is short-sighted.

    So yeah, toxic masculinity, to me, feels like it's at play here. Men are expected to shrug things off, never cry, be tough as nails, etc. As a guy, saying that a) you were raped and b) that it messed you up, breaks these "rules" twice over.
    Can I just ask you, do you completely discount the role of evolution in why rape is such a serious issue, do you not believe/understand evolution?

    If so why WOULD it be the same for men and women when our reproduction strategies are different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arent View Post
    Hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution is not short sighted.

    You are the one who lives in a modern bubble.

    Again I am not claiming male rape victims shouldn't be provided support if they wish to seek it out HOWEVER:

    1. We should not assume that men experience rape the same

    2. We shouldn't assume men who do experience serious consequences should deal with their trauma the same or be medically treated in the same manner

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    Can I just ask you, do you completely discount the role of evolution in why rape is such a serious issue, do you not believe/understand evolution?

    If so why WOULD it be the same for men and women when our reproduction strategies are different?
    I've not said it would be the same. I've said I'm dubious that it's "no big deal".

    Evolution related data is all well and good, but your conclusions here are also based on what guys have said when asked about rape. Therefore you can't discount the realities of gender role expectations and toxic masculinity.

    I'm not suggesting it's either or, and neither should you.

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    How many movies are there like Black Mirror S1 EP1 where female sends male nude pics and gets whatever she wants?

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