Fascists Threaten to Burn Down Berkeley Bookstore

[Hilhen7]

Isn't it funny how the vast majority of the terrorist threats and attacks in the US are committed by the right wing and Islamists. Yet the right is still afraid of socialism, Antifa, and the communist boogieman.

How many Antifa related killings do we have again?

Yet the right wing and Islamists have pretty similar beliefs / views and are killing people.

[Machismo]

Neo nazis would literally kill me if they got into power. How on earth is that non-violent.

I never said they were non-violent, did I? Then again, Antifa has a habit of attacking people who are not neo-Nazis.

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As long as all that violence is not done in the name of some authority, it is not authoritarian. It is bullying. It is still bad. But let's keep distinctions.

They seek to be the authority, even if it is simply to silence others.

[Hilhen7]

I never said they were non-violent, did I? Then again, Antifa has a habit of attacking people who are not neo-Nazis.

How many Antifi related killings are there? How many Antifi shootings or bombings have there been?

Antifi is bad, but not on the same level as the Nazis.

[Machismo]

How many Antifi related killings are there? How many Antifi shootings or bombings have there been?

Antifi is bad, but not on the same level as the Nazis.

Once again, why do I have to support either version of political violence?

You are trying to argue against something I'm simply not saying. I'm not saying they are equally bad, I'm saying I refuse to support either one.

[SpookyMoonz]

"Fascists", "nazis" = political bogeyman terms with no real meaning apparently; if you call these people fascists and nazis, you..have no idea what fascism and national socialism are ideologically. Fascism is a syncretic authoritarian ideology that meshes socialism with hard nationalism, and it's derived out of things like syndicalist economic theory.

A bunch of racist Conservative nutjobs does not represent 'fascism', LOL - if this were actual jackbooted, leather-black fascism, you would not be posting this on MMO-Champion right now, at all. You'd be in prison, or worse. Altering the definition of an entire political term to suit your narrative is retarded, turning fascist and nazi into political bogeyman terms and umbrella terms with no real meaning is also bad.

http://bigthink.com/scotty-hendricks...cism-really-is

Fascism is anti-liberal..but it's also anti-Conservative; you are dealing with a bunch of racist, bigoted Conservative nutjobs with a patriotism streak. Learn your fucking ideologies, learn your politics, or just shut up.

How about we start calling people what they are, identifying them for what they are, and responding to them as they are? Goes for the right, too, in calling everyone 'communists', although it's less of a stretch considering Antifa and etc. are buried historically in radical leftism, mainly in Europe (where antifa was a phenomena long before it was here; the term antifa and the collective antifa have existed for decades in Europe.)

[Tijuana]

To paraphrase Sean Connery in Indiana Jones, "maybe they should try reading books instead of burning them". A history book for starters.

Revolution Books in Berkeley becomes target for right-wing groups

BERKELEY, Calif. (KGO) -- Revolution Books in Berkeley has been the target of several right-wing groups that have protested in front of the store. This weekend, things escalated when a small group threatened to burn the place down.

In cellphone video, a man and a woman are seen and heard insulting Reiko Redmonde, one of the volunteers of the bookstore. " You are so ignorant. Commie scum, you commie scum we're going to burn down your book store, you know that."

I get it, this guy is a terrible human being. But what about this video is Fascist? I fail to see how a system of governance is being displayed in this video.

[Hilhen7]

Once again, why do I have to support either version of political violence?

You are trying to argue against something I'm simply not saying. I'm not saying they are equally bad, I'm saying I refuse to support either one.

You shouldn't support either one and no one is saying you should. But to compare the two groups is like comparing apples to oranges.

[Martymark]

"Fascists"? Looks more like "crazy inbred yokel makes a stupid threat" to me. If you call everyone a Facist, what are you going to do when actual Facists show up and you have no powerful word to describe the?

[JohnBrown1917]

"Fascists"? Looks more like "crazy inbred yokel makes a stupid threat" to me. If you call everyone a Facist, what are you going to do when actual Facists show up and you have no powerful word to describe the?

Fascists can also be incompetent powerless morons.

[Hilhen7]

Simply shining light that Antifa is using the exact same tactics as the Neo-Nazi's... only in this case, Antifa did it first. Don't you wonder why neo-nazi's would show up in the middle of the liberal capitol of the US?

Your point seems to be that violence and property destruction is fine, as long as it's not the neo-nazi's doing it. So, if burning some rubbish is not a big deal to you, why would neo-nazi's burning down a book store even be noteworthy? It's just a bunch of rubbish, no one gets hurt.

Actually Neo-Nazi's have killed people. So far I have not heard of a single Antifa related killing...

[Orbitus]

You're right, they're certainly not funded by George Soros, despite evidence to the contrary. They also don't use violence to silent dissent and shut down conversations that don't align with their ideology. I don't think you understand what fascism is.

Please provide said evidence. So I can laugh at it for you being gullible.

[bladeXcrasher]

Actually Neo-Nazi's have killed people. So far I have not heard of a single Antifa related killing...

Even if they did the "antifa doesn't exist" argument would come out. I really don't get how people can defend assault and battery, so many sociopaths. How about you stop engaging in whataboutisms to defend one shitty "group" over another shittier group?

[Hilhen7]

Even if they did the "antifa doesn't exist" argument would come out. I really don't get how people can defend assault and battery, so many sociopaths. How about you stop engaging in whataboutisms to defend one shitty "group" over another shittier group?

Hey I'm not the one claiming the two groups are comparable.

If your going to claim group x is just like group y, I'm allowed to point out the differences.

I mean comparing killers that bomb and shoot people to vandalism / assault is pretty disingenuous.

[bladeXcrasher]

Hey I'm not the one claiming the two groups are comparable.

If your going to claim group x is just like group y, I'm allowed to point out the differences.

I mean comparing killers that bomb and shoot people to vandalism / assault is pretty disingenuous.

It's whataboutisms, why do you feel the need to defend a less shitty group? Why not say, they are both shitty?

[Hilhen7]

It's whataboutisms, why do you feel the need to defend a less shitty group? Why not say, they are both shitty?

They are both shitty. I'm saying your not comparing similar groups. Also the thread is about fascists threatening to burn down a book store. Pretty sure Nazis fit the bill, so really your trying to deflect by mentioning Antifa.

So who really started using whataboutisms?

If it was a thread about Antifa and I brought up Nazis then you would have a point.

[bladeXcrasher]

They are both shitty. I'm saying your not comparing similar groups. Also the thread is about fascists threatening to burn down a book store. Pretty sure Nazis fit the bill, so really your trying to deflect by mentioning Antifa.

So who really started using whataboutisms?

One, I'm not comparing anything. Two, the OP shows some white trash people, not Nazis, threatening to burn down a book store. I don't know if they are fascists or not, but they are clearly idiots.

Why you keep trying to deflect on me, I have no idea, since I clearly think both are shitty groups and am only asking why you appear to be defending one.

You seem to be the only person using whataboutisms in this conversation, since you asked.

[Masark]

How many Antifi related killings are there? How many Antifi shootings or bombings have there been?

I'm going to say about 400i.

[abdulthetruckdriver42]

cant call everyone a facist my dude, its like calling every antifa member a basement dwelling loser that thinks he is now part of something big and therefore "important"

YOU DIG MY NIG?

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[Machismo]

Damn dude you're like Neville Chamberlain

When have I ever said I would appease those who were harming others? Yeah, you clearly don't know me very well.

[Machismo]

No it's more violence directed towards neo-nazis is fine. Their ideology would literally kill or oppress millions of people if we let them get their way, stopping them from even having a chance to is something we fucked up before WW2 and I thought people would have learned the lesson that these things need to be shut down ASAP.

Books aren't rubbish though and nazis have a nasty habit of burning books they don't like.

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When you said you wouldn't stand up to their violence? Or do you think wagging your finger and some harsh words are going to stop them? Because that's a lot of what appeasement was, it was them condemning nazi actions and sending strongly worded letters to Hitler telling him to stop.

Please point out where I said that, I'll wait.