Trump/Pence making the military homophobic again.

[Allybeboba]

lol, that was not even my point, and less people got drafted for WWII/Vietnam than won the lottery? How many lotteries do you guys have lol

I'm obviosly talking about if it comes back.

WWII/Vietnam drafts were longer than 45 years ago my friend.
My statement still stands. The odds of someone getting draft are pretty slim. ie... Quite literally, more people in the last ~45 years have won the lottery than have been drafted into the military in the US.
Unless you can reliably predict the future you don’t know if there will be a military draft in the US or not. And if you can, can you kindly give us all those lottery numbers?
I’m outta here for now. The last word on the matter is yours.

Peace

[Deleted]

And yet they provide viagra to anyone, not just those who are suffering from the trauma of war. If it's really about EPTS then they need to do more to weed out the guys who just can't get it up.

How would one determine whether you were impotent when you joined the army or if you got it later by being psychologically damaged in combat?

[GennGreymane]

I do like how this basically played out.

Trump: "I won't sign anything with DACA, but without The Wall!"
Everyone else: "Okay, you win. The budget has neither."
Trump "...I'm gonna veto!"
Everyone else: "Suit yourself. We have two-thirds."
Trump: "...ban transgenders!"

I mean he had to do something.

[GennGreymane]

Gotta ask, have they been a big issue in the military? Then again I didnt take Psych 101 and claim to know everything about every disorder. Usually I just see the usual stuff out of the military. Rapes, average stuff, mental health issues attributed to PTSD and conditions, killing people near bases in Japan.

[Video Games]

Meh, doubt they even want to. This is like banning me from a tattoo store.

[Video Games]

Check the news please. There are most assuredly trans individuals who are impacted by this bigotry. And, remember, the officers who actually run our military take issue with these measures as they feel they are baseless.

Ok, but if they make a law they make a law.

[Deleted]

I didn't care one bit when homosexuals were allowed to serve openly. Ultimately they're just people doing a job and their bedroom proclivities are no more of interest or relevance to me than some guy that likes to have threesomes with his wife and whomever else. The transgender crowd on the other hand, is a different issue. These people are suffering from a severe mental disorder that just so happens to be the most recent addition to the intersectional pity party. They have astronomical rates of suicide, and for those who are undergoing or have completed their transition, are taking enormous amounts of hormones and other mood altering substances. They're a legitimate risk to themselvs and others in an environment that is already reaching the extremes of stress and emotional hardship. I support banning them from military service. I wouldn't trust these people in a fight any more than i would a drug addict.

I don't particularly mind if it's simply known that a certain soldier is gay and nothing more.

But I don't think you should "openly" talk about it. Some people are still creeped out by it and that doesn't do well for unit cohesion. No reason to bring up that thing, nothing good can come out of talking about banging dudes when many other dudes (mostly heterosexuals) are around.

And if that sounds homophobic to some, remember, the army is about discipline, it's not about YOU. Don't like following certain rules, get outta the military.

[Video Games]

They didn't make a law, they made a decree. Laws are made by Congress and signed by the President(unless he vetoes and they have to override him).

So essentially, they have to pass a psych test like everybody else. I don't really see the problem.

[McFuu]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/23/polit...use/index.html

And that's #winning for you.

PS: It cost more to subsidize Viagra, for a year, than what it cost the Military, to date, to address the xgens cost they're talking about.

Did you even read the article? It's only excluding those with mental health issues. If you weren't transgender and you had mental health issues, you already couldn't join.

[Moralgy]

I didn't care one bit when homosexuals were allowed to serve openly. Ultimately they're just people doing a job and their bedroom proclivities are no more of interest or relevance to me than some guy that likes to have threesomes with his wife and whomever else. The transgender crowd on the other hand, is a different issue. These people are suffering from a severe mental disorder that just so happens to be the most recent addition to the intersectional pity party. They have astronomical rates of suicide, and for those who are undergoing or have completed their transition, are taking enormous amounts of hormones and other mood altering substances. They're a legitimate risk to themselvs and others in an environment that is already reaching the extremes of stress and emotional hardship. I support banning them from military service. I wouldn't trust these people in a fight any more than i would a drug addict.

Its about two to five mg of estrogen a day after surgeries and that is it for trans women. That isnt a crazy amount of hormones like you seem to believe. Before is slightly different though. Trans men can live on a monthly T shot.

[Darsithis]

Let me repeat here, it's not in your duty to bring forth your sexuality in the army. You're there to either function as a cog in the machine of military might or to learn how to act like one properly. They don't need any more distractions from that either. Unless someone is actually mad enough to claim that recognition of how their genitals get worn-n-torn is somehow vital to the armed forces...

Excusing your language...

...everyone has a sexuality. Heterosexual members bring it into the military as much as anyone else. This is a ridiculous argument, especially the "distraction" part. It's been shown again and again that sexuality (and gender) have nothing to do with military cohesion.

[Draco-Onis]

Did you even read the article? It's only excluding those with mental health issues. If you weren't transgender and you had mental health issues, you already couldn't join.

Actually it is written so that it would exclude transgender people because they are often on hormone treatment and or undergoing such surgeries not sure why you didn't pick up on it. The pentagon and the armed forces disagree with Trump which is why they slow walked it the first two times he tried. Also there's a federal court ruling against his already but we all know how Trump feels about courts and laws.

[kail]

Gays, trans, women, etc I'll say the same throughout: If they pass the standard requirements (mental, physical and such) there is no logical reason to deny the individual. Set the bar and keep the special treatment minimal to none.

[JohnBrown1917]

WWII/Vietnam drafts were longer than 45 years ago my friend.
My statement still stands. The odds of someone getting draft are pretty slim. ie... Quite literally, more people in the last ~45 years have won the lottery than have been drafted into the military in the US.
Unless you can reliably predict the future you don’t know if there will be a military draft in the US or not. And if you can, can you kindly give us all those lottery numbers?
I’m outta here for now. The last word on the matter is yours.

Peace

Ye, I expected you to just ignore what I posted.

[Deleted]

And you need to remember that the Army already had no issue with people serving openly. It's not about YOU and your discomfort with normal humans. If you can't handle knowing gays interact with you then need to move to an island with a population of you.

I don't have any discomfort personally, this is about unit cohesion as a whole. Majority beats the minority here. You conform to the majority, the majority doesn't conform to you because it is much easier for one person to change his behavior than it is for 10 people to change theirs.

Also about basic decency in general. The same reason I don't tend to talk about the weird fetishes I have with women or the size of my last poop to a crowd of co-workers is probably the same reason you shouldn't talk about butt fucking dudes to your co-workers. There's some information that doesn't need to be shared, okay. Do what you do in private, people don't need to know about it.

[baskev]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/23/polit...use/index.html

And that's #winning for you.

PS: It cost more to subsidize Viagra, for a year, than what it cost the Military, to date, to address the xgens cost they're talking about.

This is just a smoke screen. With the people fired this month + All the law suits against him ( concerning women) + arab prince saying he has kushner in his pocket + His lawyer leaving because trump wants to talk + both nunes and sessions under investigation + trump saying congrats to putin + the whole tarrif stuff etc etc etc...And this is just last week :S:S:S

Man i know people can be trump fans and die hard republicans...
But holy shit...this is just 1 week 1!!!!!!week worth of trump news. If you still think this is okay...then wtf...this is just bat shit crazy.

[Independent voter]

Wasn't this a thing last year too?

And the military said it was impossible to implement or something so it didn't happen.

[Mormolyce]

Transgendered people aren’t necessarily homosexual.

Peace

How enlightened of you ahahaha!

Serving in the military isn't a right. If people get booted from the military for PTSD, why in the name of God would you allow trans people in the military? It's not homophobia to say that trans people, or any other hindrance to unit readiness and cohesion have no place in the military. This is not the hill to die on.

They will get in the next time the Democrats are in power and that will be the end of that.

This certainly isn't a smart hill for the Republicans to die on. Did they learn nothing from their failed opposition to gay marriage?

[Strakha]

hopefully they will exempt them from the draft too so they wont have to fight a pointless war in the future either.

[JohnBrown1917]

hopefully they will exempt them from the draft too so they wont have to fight a pointless war in the future either.

They will, if it makes any sense.