Confessions of a pugger

[Ealyssa]

The leader will say "Tanks have assist, take over please" and then hope the others kill the boss.

As a tank players pugging with all tank classes outside my main (BrM) this always make me laugh. I'm not here to lead a PUG without any power on it. You have the leader tag, you lead. Period.

I may destroy his pug if he really piss me off by saying "I'll start a real PUG in a few minutes, named "XXXXXXX", because leader is obviously clueless. come join me if you're good" before leaving.

[xcess]

I also dont get the leaders who write know fights and link AOTC but then proceeds to feel that they need to explain the fight in detail. I also notice much less voice usage compared to the first month of pugging. I know discord doesnt guanratee a kill but it does help cos sometimes people do tune out and tunnel

[ydraw]

I haven't done a M+2 for a while, but can't you just zone out if someone leaves at the start and try again? Key can't reduce under +2 anyway right, or does it still get depleted if you abort the run?

[Alithia]

The point is to save time. Can't be bothered to do 9 M2+ in addition to Ant HC and Mog Runs.

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Today I was nice and tanked 4 M+ for the lowbies.

[kamuimac]

I think that's the problem with PUGs, everyone want to get a free reward asap without putting any effort.

the problem with pugs is direckly tied to the fact that at certain point somewhere between 930-940 the endgame forces people into "hard" group content (mythic +15/normal/hc antorus) because people have no way to progress their toons otherwise.

historicaly they had vp/badges to farm and that was how they spend that 10-20 hours a week by farming easy content and not even trying "hard" stuff - now they have nothing else to pursue so its natural that they put themselves into hard stuff and fail making experience of everyone around more miserable then it should have been.

been there 5-6 pieces of vp gear with option to farm vp in mythic 0 dungeons you would never meet those people because they would have their own stuff to farm .

its the flaw in design that appeared in MoP exackly when they put in flex/normal in order to push all people into normal raiding - even if they never wanted to raid in order to ensure that management sees normal as huge succes blizzard took out all other progress sources in game which resoulted direckly in WoD - expansion where everybody was supposed to do normal raiding ....only people didnt want to and would rather unsub then raid.

its not exakly hard to notice if you think for more then 10 seconds.

[Flashforcash]

The point is to save time. Can't be bothered to do 9 M2+ in addition to Ant HC and Mog Runs.

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Today I was nice and tanked 4 M+ for the lowbies.

So Your time is more important than the rest of us?

Your thoughts on this and just leaving like that so the other guys can do your job just scream world biggest scumbag. Like that is the reason why the wow community sometimes is the shit.

Like the other guy said, it’s borderline lack of empathy, hence psychopathic behavior.

[Alithia]

So Your time is more important than the rest of us?

Your thoughts on this and just leaving like that so the other guys can do your job just scream world biggest scumbag. Like that is the reason why the wow community sometimes is the shit.

Like the other guy said, it’s borderline lack of empathy, hence psychopathic behavior.

Yes, my time isworth far moe to me than their time.

Not my fault that Blizzard doesn't fix the system. It is neither bug abuse nor against the TOS, just using the system in my favour.

[Aphrel]

As long as you get cruve on week 1 your pretty much in the clear, its downhill from there.

[Flashforcash]

Yes, my time isworth far moe to me than their time.

Not my fault that Blizzard doesn't fix the system. It is neither bug abuse nor against the TOS, just using the system in my favour.

Or you could just go robe a bank because you need the money more than the rich people right? like why give a fuck about anyone else than yourself, your the center of the world right?

[Gameskil]

These methods might work for a character already geared, but starting from a new character on a new server and wanting to pug raids, you dont have the luxury of being choosy. You can link all the fake achivements in the world, most groups wont take you, so its M+ grind until such times the pug population deem your item level worthy enough to join them. Even then you need 10 levels at least above the content you want to do, making the content itself irrelevent.

[Alithia]

Or you could just go robe a bank because you need the money more than the rich people right? like why give a fuck about anyone else than yourself, your the center of the world right?

Now you understand.

[kamuimac]

These methods might work for a character already geared, but starting from a new character on a new server and wanting to pug raids, you dont have the luxury of being choosy. You can link all the fake achivements in the world, most groups wont take you, so its M+ grind until such times the pug population deem your item level worthy enough to join them. Even then you need 10 levels at least above the content you want to do, making the content itself irrelevent.

those methods will work if someone will start and lead his own groups - people are lazy as. they will do anything to make sure they are not the ones leading so with some amount of effort you can do anything

[Gameskil]

those methods will work if someone will start and lead his own groups - people are lazy as. they will do anything to make sure they are not the ones leading so with some amount of effort you can do anything

This is true. Starting your own group does correct this and about every problem everyone has with pugs.

[Zka]

The first half was interesting, the second half is really toxic. So your advice is basically only raid hc with people who have already farmed it to death and are vastly overgeared and try to get kicked everyone who isn't like that. Pretty pathetic.

[Spryte]

The first half was interesting, the second half is really toxic. So your advice is basically only raid hc with people who have already farmed it to death and are vastly overgeared and try to get kicked everyone who isn't like that. Pretty pathetic.

Its pathetic and toxic but it really does work. Thats the sad thing.

[Ponky]

As a 970 equipped healer I avoid any group that wants more than 3 healers in hc (regardless of group size). It's so pathetic that people still think that groups need 5+ healers to clear s***. If I make my own group, I 2 heal it with some other random healer and it's really fine. Please, pug leaders, don't make the life of a healer miserable.

[Hulkovius]

OP is on point. I live after this aswell. I use to pug a lot aswell on alts. I just want a smooth simple kill / run without a struggle.

Its sad that it has come to this but its both gear ilvl issues and the inflation of gold. You can never trust anyone.

[MisterBigglez]

As long as you get cruve on week 1 your pretty much in the clear, its downhill from there.

My issue with this is that if I go on my alt and clear hc, the curve is replaced with the date that specific character got the achievement, so whilst my rogue (which cleared first) got it first week, my warrior (most recently cleared) has it completed in the end of March.

To tackle this though, I just link my highest mythic achievement. Then I usually get asked who my main is and they look me up. If this happens, chances are the group will be successful.

Soon ill have cutting edge and then it won't ever matter lmao.

Edit: Ok look at that

[ElectricChair]

good thread

[Tech614]

As a 970 equipped healer I avoid any group that wants more than 3 healers in hc (regardless of group size). It's so pathetic that people still think that groups need 5+ healers to clear s***. If I make my own group, I 2 heal it with some other random healer and it's really fine. Please, pug leaders, don't make the life of a healer miserable.

As a 978 equipped tank I instantly kick any healer who gives a rats ass about their numbers when they don't matter. I especially love the healer that complains some other healer did half their hps when if you actually look at the logs that other healer saw they where try hard sniping and started dpsing instead.

But yea, I have seen hipster runs like yours and people always die, not even necessarily causing a wipe but die. Most often on coven because healing debuffs iz hard. Healers that want less healers to put up bigger numbers generally only heal where the numbers are and don't want to do the bitch jobs like healing debuffs or spot healing minor mistakes that shouldn't cause a death normally.

Outside of a guild run specifically trying to parse, no place for this attitude.