Israel: ‘He had no gun, no molotov’: Gaza families call for investigation

[Minikin]

Maybe the Palestinians should just get over trying to take away Jewish land.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...li_Settlements
2. https://books.google.ca/books?id=xey...19&redir_esc=y

1. for a summary.
2. for detail.

this info isnt exactly hidden away under some rock

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Ah, the old bullshit "arguments" here in this thread, like:
1. Israel should not exist - Yeah, dude, after 70 years, maybe you should get a hint. They are here to stay, so your argument is a waste of space. It is the same as saying that France should not exist.
2. It exists only because USA supports it - read on the support from the West, how Israel mostly has stood alone. It would suddenly collapse... why? Because magic fairies?
3. Israel has done nothing for the peace prospect - another "I chose to ignore reality" blah blah. Oslo Accords, Camp David Summit, hello?
Palestine was offereded almot everything and they chose not to, to keep all or nothing approach. That is not how negotiations work. And who tanked them? Mr. Arafat, someone who became very wealthy... how, again?
4. Israel indiscriminately kills arabs - hello, another bullshit. Israel is the only country in the world, who sends SMS to warn civilians, the only country in the world to do the "double tap" with dummy rockets to clear houses before they are destroyed, not to mention simpler stuff like leaflets and loudspeakers.
Do you think there would be less than 20 dead during these protests if they just opened up on protesters? Single soldier could do that without reloading. They obviously do not shoot at protesters "just because".

Even Egypt is blockading the fricking Gaza. Why? Actually, the best example as to why is Israel's withdraval from Gaza, on their own, to the every last jew back in 2005. What happened afterwards? Nonstop rocket attacks.

Arghh.... Pointless.

see this is the thing. i see your post and iam not in disagreement (certain points i do not agree with but they are more on refinement than anything else). And i am a muslim who was born in Pakistan so I grew up around the whole "Israel bad!" "Kill them all". But my teachers and especially my father made certain that statements are made and judgements are made after educating one self. There are a few posters on this forum who read and try to find more detail, rather than the usual froth at the mouth "muslims bad, bomb them all" "jews own the world they are puppeteers".

Both sides, israel and palestine, have a mass of innocents who want nothing to do with this shit. and both have a layer of people profiteering off of this, and a layer who actively sabotage any peace process that could come to mind. If anyone wants a clue all they need to do is look around to the larger and more well off muslim countries surrounding palestine, and as comparision all they need to do is look at israel and the reception it has from certain european countries regarding the actions it takes.

you will have people who with the same mouth speak about how bad religion is and then with that same mouth try to justify how the land is jewish due to their text. you will have people who will explain how the palestians are just muslims and terrorists and at the same time justify how some kid running off with a tyre is an act of it.

Even if someone studies day and night, book after book, documentary after documentary there is too much to go over. I see and read something at least once every two weeks (it used to be more frequent before) and its crazy how much detail is in this whole mess. It is not as simple as "America loves Israel" "The Palestinians want every jew dead". So its not so much about being correct. But at this point more about who is doing their part to be educated on this rather than just running their mouth. And unfortunately we have more of the kind who would rather just say stuff enforced by their bias.

[Guy4123]

Even if that was true (it's not), you are saying you would prefer the lands of Israel to be given to Palestine, who would then immediately become another Iran? Do you seriously think once Israel is wiped from the map they will stop there? You would rather have another oppressive Theocracy than an open democracy which Israel is now?

And where would all the Israelis go? Would you welcome 8.5 million Jews into the US? Given the amount of antisemitism I read from you lot on the left, I really doubt it. Palestinians along with half the Arab nations want the Jews dead, it would be another genocide. Which seems to be the least of your concerns.

That's being pretty generous.

Maybe another Syria, mid civil war.

[Torto]

That's being pretty generous.

Maybe another Syria, mid civil war.

Not really, Palestine is a subsidiary of Iran, they are a vassal state in every sense of the word. Without Iran propping them up, Palestine and Hamas in particular would collapse.

[Minikin]

There's a few problems with this story btw,
1. If Israel was firing indiscriminately at crowds of Palestinians, then more than 15 of them would be killed. There are thousands of Palestinians along that border wall and 10 of the 15 killed were throwing Molotov cocktails/ tires/ or rocks at the Israelis. Yes it's sad that Israelis may have killed an innocent man, but when theres thousands of Palestinians along that area and only 15 of them are dead then doesn't that mean Israel is using some restraint? Israel has also been broadcasting messages all day over a loud speaker informing everyone to stay away from that area.

The Palestinians spent 15M on this little media charade, while their country is in a state of economic collapse. Doesn't seem very responsible to me at all. Infact this seems like a distraction.

The UN is basically just a hack organisation that's full time job is to basically pass resolutions against Israel. See here for evidence.


It starts after 1 minute in.

listening to ben shapiro for advise on this is like me going to a some extremist in Afghanistan and asking him what I should do with jews.

[Dreyen]

Honestly, it's disgusting that Israel even exists. How would americans react if native americans got funded tons of money and weaponery and got forced into one small corner via violence while other countries go and claim "Washington is the native american's capital", with the sole excuse that it was native american land to begin with? That is exactly the story of Palestinians and Israel.

Yes there are rock throwings and such, just like every other event anywhere in the world, even in Canada we had some people in black masks throwing rocks and shit at policemen in a peaceful walk against the government trying to augment tuition prices for university. Guess what? Nobody got shot by police here, why are they getting shot in gaza? In the back of their head on top of it.

Maybe Israel needs to stop being such disgusting savages and actually start talking and giving Palestinians some freedom, they are humans, not animals. They riot because they've been pushed into it.

[Eldarus]

The moment those so called "Protesters" with bunch of terrorists got close to Israel border, Israel has lost. No matter how perfectly they would handle any situation, they LOSE.

But what amazes me is how clueless international community is when it comes to "Israeli Palestinian" conflict. Everyone seriously believes what Arabs say, like there is not chance they will ever lie. That's right, a citizen of a 3rd world country where people get executed for not agreeing with their Government/Administration politics will always speak the truth.. Yet Israel... ohh right "those Jews" are always a trouble makers, were minding their own business on their border and when those "peace loving" protesters came simply started to shot them for fun, a Democratic country with organized army do that, yeah for some reason people believe that quick.

Now another thing that people don't even pay attention to. Full control over Gaza strip was given to "Palestinians" back in 2006, with billions worth agricultural infrastructure that they have later destroyed, so now they come out to protest not because they are starving, looks like they are not as media say all the time, not because Gaza is under occupation, no it's not, ok so not because of "Blockade", which is not since only weapons and materials to build them is forbidden to move (and btw nobody complains that Egypt has totally blocked them from their side of the border). So they came over for their another goal, "The right of return". So looking at those facts how anybody can even believe in peace with those people? I thought UN said that if "Jews" leave their historic homeland Judea and Samaria, there finally will be a peace in the whole middle east. So what guarantee Jews have that Arabs won't do exactly the same demonstration for so called "right of return"? Where's guarantee that they won't do anything else to jeopardize a hard paid peace after Israel again expel their own citizens (since world is always ok when Jews get expelled). There's NON, it's just easier for people living in their safe (for now) countries and criticize others, just they are so great at believing in Islamic Propaganda they run on Fake News Media.

[announced]

listening to ben shapiro for advise on this is like me going to a some extremist in Afghanistan and asking him what I should do with jews.

So any conservative is now considered an alt right extremist? looks like your liberal mental disorder is showing again.

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Israel could have been all fine and fluffy if left alone, but some people decided to get greedy and now they are crying they got what they deserved.

That's like saying the French Resistance got greedy when they tried to take northern France back from the Germans who were occupying it.

Or that the Native Americans got greedy when they tried to resist the Europeans who were colonising their lands.

Thing is, if you use force to take someone else's land, you can't then hold your hand to your heart and cry out "Terrorist!" when those people resist you instead of rolling over and dying obediently.

Well, you can but people will look at you funny.

[Minikin]

So any conservative is now considered an alt right extremist? looks like your liberal mental disorder is showing again.

yea im sure labelling people makes you some genius. first off, the general theorem of critique is not having a bias. but given that you so easily start spouting like a severed artery im sure that is the best defense you could muster when someone disagrees with your views.

[Flarelaine]

It's the contrary.
Every time Israel keeps killing innocent people, they destroy the goodwill they have with the west.

I'd say Muslims killing innocent people in Western cities destroys goodwill a lot faster. One could argue what happens in Palestine stays in Palestine.

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When Turkey gets it's own nukes, Israel will be full on calling for peace, and they won't be pretending.

IF Turkey gets nukes. And even then, they would need to deliver those nukes. Israel happens to be a world leader in missile defence.

[Maybach]

The IDF has been shooting kids throwing stones with live ammunition for years so why is anyone surprised

It's about time the Palestinian Authority took the Israeli Governments sorry asses to the International Criminal Court

Lets face it the UN will do fuck all while 'Murica keeps vetoing any call for an independent investigation as they did the other day

If this was any other country in the world they would be crucified in the media

But hey its only a load of arabs, who gives a fuck so lets report on someone with a cat stuck up a tree

This isn't about Israelis, this is about the Israeli Government, politicians who are slightly to the right of Attila the Hun, and the IDF which murders with impunity

Ah silly me, if anyone does dare to criticise Israel you are obviously anti semitic!

[Independent voter]

And where would all the Israelis go? Would you welcome 8.5 million Jews into the US? Given the amount of antisemitism I read from you lot on the left, I really doubt it. Palestinians along with half the Arab nations want the Jews dead, it would be another genocide. Which seems to be the least of your concerns.

We would take them, they are a very productive people.

We have 5,250,000

Maybe a hundred years from now the anger will have died down enough so that there is peace in the Middle East.

[Gaidax]

We would take them, they are a very productive people.

No thank you, we're done being guests in foreign countries. We have our own.

I think people should already get the clue 70 years down the road that we are not going anywhere from our country and we don't need royal consent of anyone to be here.

[Elba]

Even if that was true (it's not), you are saying you would prefer the lands of Israel to be given to Palestine, who would then immediately become another Iran? Do you seriously think once Israel is wiped from the map they will stop there? You would rather have another oppressive Theocracy than an open democracy which Israel is now?

The land belongs to the Palestinians. They are free to make their own future once order is restored.

And where would all the Israelis go? Would you welcome 8.5 million Jews into the US? Given the amount of antisemitism I read from you lot on the left, I really doubt it. Palestinians along with half the Arab nations want the Jews dead, it would be another genocide. Which seems to be the least of your concerns.

Sure, why not. Let them go to the US. You have enough space.

[Flarelaine]

The land belongs to the Palestinians. They are free to make their own future once order is restored.

Why not right now? They are free to change the game already.

[Svens]

The land belongs to the Palestinians. They are free to make their own future once order is restored.

Their future being another refugee and civil war ridden middle eastern shithole country funded by Iran? As if it wouldn't have been the case with that land if the Jew's didn't get Israel to be recognized as their country?

Gotta love people demanding the Palestinians "get the land that belongs to them" while every other Arab country bordering that area gives absolute zero shits about the Palestinians past condemning Israel for existing and funding Hamas.

[Elba]

Why not right now? They are free to change the game already.

Cuz the Israelis hog their land, hold them in reservations and kill them.

Their future being another refugee and civil war ridden middle eastern shithole country funded by Iran? As if it wouldn't have been the case with that land if the Jew's didn't get Israel to be recognized as their country?

Dunno, they'll probably be better off than today, 2 million people caged in a tiny area with no clean water and hardly any electricity.

Gotta love people demanding the Palestinians "get the land that belongs to them" while every other Arab country bordering that area gives absolute zero shits about the Palestinians past condemning Israel for existing and funding Hamas.

What has that to do with anything?

[Gaidax]

Yes they totally can't take care of their own people "becuz evul Israel derp".

They could have had their country, built democratic society and achieved peace by now, instead they sit on their asses doing nothing of that and expecting Israel to suicide.

The way they live is their choice and you should be pointing fingers at their leaders who apparently hate Israel more than they love Palestine.

[Trollhammer]

Lol, Pallywood.

[Deleted]

That's like saying the French Resistance got greedy when they tried to take northern France back from the Germans who were occupying it.

Or that the Native Americans got greedy when they tried to resist the Europeans who were colonising their lands.

Thing is, if you use force to take someone else's land, you can't then hold your hand to your heart and cry out "Terrorist!" when those people resist you instead of rolling over and dying obediently.

Well, you can but people will look at you funny.

If those attacked you first, and then you retaliate and take some of there land. Then you definitely can do that.

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Cuz the Israelis hog their land, hold them in reservations and kill them.



Dunno, they'll probably be better off than today, 2 million people caged in a tiny area with no clean water and hardly any electricity.



What has that to do with anything?

Maybe if they did not start a war, and got ass kicked they still would have that land today.