Syria Sarin Gas Attack - 100+ Casualties

[Shalcker]

The best part of the new Russian conspiracy to go from 'there was no attack' to 'the british did it' is that no one in thier right mind believes Theresa Mays government is competent enough to run a sand selling buisness in the sahara, let alone orchestrate an attack in a foreign country.

Let's see what proof they actually have other then two doctors from local hospital.

A message "Package was delivered" from Cyprus perhaps?

[Breccia]

Putin is now saying he and Macron agree to keep this from escalating.

Seems an odd thing to say if it's false, so, again, nobody wants a war over this.

[Keosen]

Ah the beatiful freedom and democracy of the West, thank god we're not like North Korea and shit. Yes.

Former head of British Armed Forces gets cut off by Sky when he goes off-script on Syria!

[Kuntantee]

So Russian media released this, not sure how accurate the English subs.

https://twitter.com/walid970721/stat...058330624?s=09

These guys are apparently in video released by rebels showing afterwards of alleged chemical attack, here it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpwc...ature=youtu.be


I will probably ask a millionth time in this thread. Is there any concrete proof of chemical attack? Because a scene where people are being treated as if they were targeted by chemical attack is not even remotely a proof. Then, you need to prove that the attack was done by Assad, and not staged by desperate rebels.

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Ah the beatiful freedom and democracy of the West, thank god we're not like North Korea and shit. Yes.

Former head of British Armed Forces gets cut off by Sky when he goes off-script on Syria!

People dismissed it as "longer video needed to understand the context". While that's probably true, the anchorwoman just says that's will be all and proceed. Normally, if there is a breaking news, you present it first then get back to your contributor. This is plain rude and extremely odd.

[Independent voter]

So Russian media released this, not sure how accurate the English subs.

https://twitter.com/walid970721/stat...058330624?s=09

These guys are apparently in video released by rebels showing afterwards of alleged chemical attack, here it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpwc...ature=youtu.be


I will probably ask a millionth time in this thread. Is there any concrete proof of chemical attack? Because a scene where people are being treated as if they were targeted by chemical attack is not even remotely a proof. Then, you need to prove that the attack was done by Assad, and not staged by desperate rebels.

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People dismissed it as "longer video needed to understand the context". While that's probably true, the anchorwoman just says that's will be all and just proceed. Normally, if there is an breaking news, you present it first then get back to your contributor.

Blood and urine samples from the site of a suspected chemical weapons attack in Syria have tested positive for chlorine gas and a nerve agent, according to U.S. officials.

MSNBC reported Thursday that the U.S. obtained samples from the attack site in Douma, a suburb of Damascus, and determined that they contained traces of chlorine gas and an unidentified nerve agent.

While officials did not identify the nerve agent as sarin, the Syrian government is believed to have used the deadly chemical weapon a number of times during the country's seven-year civil war.

U.S. officials are confident the Syrian government was behind the attack in Douma over the weekend that left dozens of people dead, MSNBC reported.

French President Emmanuel Macron also said on Thursday that his country has "proof" that the Syrian government carried out the attack and that France would decide "in due course" whether to respond.

The revelation comes hours after the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons announced that a fact-finding mission was en route to Syria and would begin investigating the suspected chemical attack on Saturday.

Syria and its main allies, Russia and Iran, have denied that the government used chemical weapons in the attack and have blamed the allegations on militants, who they say fabricated accounts of the strike to spark international outrage.

France and the US both say they have proof.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...les-from-syria






The reason the child is sweating so much is that he's inhaled nerve agent and sweating is one of the symptoms.

But I know, since he's Sunni Muslim you could care less about this child, if he were Shiite, one of Assad's Alawhite tribe, it would be a different story.

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People dismissed it as "longer video needed to understand the context". While that's probably true, the anchorwoman just says that's will be all and just proceed. Normally, if there is an breaking news, you present it first then get back to your contributor.

had sky news on earlier they cut off some guy talking about carnivals because no women signed up for the whistable beauty contest or some bullshit.

24 hour news has alloted time for segments, that question she asked the retired general who they pull out whenever they have an army issue was most likely not the first question, more like they talked for a few minutes before hand and that was the last question. I doubt that piece lasted 2 minutes. It was most likely at the end of a segment 'we will have to leave it there' etc. That video is already on all the russian bots and RT as 'proof'. Its a non fucking starter and anyone who gives the 'they cut him off because of his views' should be treated with a pinch of salt.

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The reason the child is sweating so much is that he's inhaled nerve agent and sweating is one of the symptoms.

But I know, since he's Sunni Muslim you could care less about this child, if he were Shiite, one of Assad's Alawhite tribe, it would be a different story.

Hupcap how did that sample get to washington, talk me through the chain of custody?

[Ulmita]

Sky news cuts interview short when former british general in iraq asks the obvious question
https://t.co/qcB7o7Btqo

[Venant]

The reason the child is sweating so much is that he's inhaled nerve agent and sweating is one of the symptoms.

But I know, since he's Sunni Muslim you could care less about this child, if he were Shiite, one of Assad's Alawhite tribe, it would be a different story.

And just look at those rescue workers, handling a chemical attack scene with their bare hands. They are really hardcore, considering that they should all be poisoned if Sarin was present.

[Kuntantee]

Blood and urine samples from the site of a suspected chemical weapons attack in Syria have tested positive for chlorine gas and a nerve agent, according to U.S. officials.

MSNBC reported Thursday that the U.S. obtained samples from the attack site in Douma, a suburb of Damascus, and determined that they contained traces of chlorine gas and an unidentified nerve agent.

While officials did not identify the nerve agent as sarin, the Syrian government is believed to have used the deadly chemical weapon a number of times during the country's seven-year civil war.

U.S. officials are confident the Syrian government was behind the attack in Douma over the weekend that left dozens of people dead, MSNBC reported.

French President Emmanuel Macron also said on Thursday that his country has "proof" that the Syrian government carried out the attack and that France would decide "in due course" whether to respond.

The revelation comes hours after the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons announced that a fact-finding mission was en route to Syria and would begin investigating the suspected chemical attack on Saturday.

Syria and its main allies, Russia and Iran, have denied that the government used chemical weapons in the attack and have blamed the allegations on militants, who they say fabricated accounts of the strike to spark international outrage.

France and the US both say they have proof.

How can you be sure that those samples are genuine?

The reason the child is sweating so much is that he's inhaled nerve agent and sweating is one of the symptoms.

You sound like you know these things. Why don't you direct me to a source so I can read about the effects of nerve agent. Also, I am quite positive that other things too can make children sweat .

Also @marty096 made a good point, those kids are washed.

Also how do you know that kid is sweating? The first thing they do after an (alleged) chemical attack is wash them down with water.

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But I know, since he's Sunni Muslim you could care less about this child, if he were Shiite, one of Assad's Alawhite tribe, it would be a different story.

Are you directing this to a Turk?

/facepalm

I know better than anyone that Sunni deaths are ignored by world. However, there is a reason why they are not the most popular group.

[oleander89]

You have to wonder where the samples came from. In another article about it "The officials said they were "confident" in the intelligence, though not 100 percent sure." So I'd be highly skeptical of anyone claiming to have proof and not revealing much more.

Also how do you know that kid is sweating? The first thing they do after an (alleged) chemical attack is wash them down with water.

[downnola]

I don't trust, I detest and I avoid the vast majority of news media like the plague, especially on politics. If that is creduility, or you think I'm trying to be "woke" as you call it, then whatever, that is your prerogative. If you wanna swallow whatever narrative you are getting served to swallow, that is also your prerogative. Just let me laugh at your naivety, at least give me that.

So you're fine arguing from a position of ignorance because you think all the news outlets that report on current events are trying to push narratives? You can do whatever you please, but if you can't be bothered to educate yourself on current events then who gives a flying fuck what you have to say.

There's a difference between reporting the news and publishing opinion pieces. You can scrutinize sources and cross check information when you read something fishy. You can apply critical thinking skills and separate news from the bullshit if you tried. Just because you're too intellectually lazy to scrutinize what your read doesn't mean I have to do the same.

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Well first, regime change is only very recently off the table. The same time last year, it was still being pushed for.

United States hasn't seriously considered regime change policy wise since Obama's red line was crossed. The majority of the America's focus since then has been on ISIS and providing air support for the Kurds.

If you mean public opinion, then sure, some people have wanted Assad gone, but the majority of Americans don't have the stomach for intervention. I don't blame them considering how badly the Iraq war went. But most arguments against a regime change aren't serious. They're littered with conspiracy theories and cynicism, not rational thought. You can make a legitimate, and thoughtful argument against intervention without resorting to nonsense about false flags and the like.

That said, rational people have no concern for the well-being of Assad himself but possible power vacuum that could occur depending on the severity of these proposed missile strikes. Need I remind you that ISIS still exists in Syria. Along with a dozen of groups only mildly better

I suppose another point to consider is how this attack furthers the US long term goals in Syria? The US government is clear it wishes to stave off more Russian and Iranian influence on Syria. So it’s strangle to me that it would further suggest crippling the countries own military and infrastructure to cause an even deeper dependence on Russia and Iran.

Syria is already stuck in a power vacuum. That's why I legitimately don't want to see an intervention on same scale as the one in Iraq because it would only make things worse for Syria and for us. The time for that kind of intervention was back in 2013, and that time has passed. Don't get me wrong, I legitimately want to see Assad dangling from a rope, but the only intervention I'd support is one with the full power and support of NATO that had an actual strategy to restore peace. Bombing Syria and leaving what's left of it's population to pick up the pieces, like what happened in Libya, would be the ultimate betrayal to Syrians. But I don't have any faith that a proper NATO humanitarian intervention would ever happen in our political climate, so I feel like advocating for such a thing would be delusional.

[Shalcker]

So you're fine arguing from a position of ignorance because you think all the news outlets that report on current events are trying to push narratives?

They are all going from same source - rebel/White Helmets video.
Once video is spread reaction is predictable because it fits previously used script - news today generally feed into preconceived notions, and for anything coming from Syria such notion is "Is it bad? Assad's/Russian fault".

No need for conspiracy; narrative is already well established, you need effort to break out of it, not to follow it.

[hellhamster]

So you're fine arguing from a position of ignorance because you think all the news outlets that report on current events are trying to push narratives? You can do whatever you please, but if you can't be bothered to educate yourself on current events then who gives a flying fuck what you have to say.

There's a difference between reporting the news and publishing opinion pieces. You can scrutinize sources and cross check information when you read something fishy. You can apply critical thinking skills and separate news from the bullshit if you tried. Just because you're too intellectually lazy to scrutinize what your read doesn't mean I have to.

You should follow your own advice.

[downnola]

They are all going from same source - rebel/White Helmets video.
Once video is spread reaction is predictable because it fits previously used script - news today generally feed into preconceived notions, and for anything coming from Syria such notion is "Is it bad? Assad's/Russian fault".

No need for conspiracy; narrative is already well established, you need effort to break out of it, not to follow it.

You're the biggest propagator of bullshit narratives on this site, Shalcker. Who are you to lecture anyone about following narratives? Give it a couple of days and I'm sure you'll say absurd nonsense about the Syrians in Douma coming down with a case of food poisoning or some shit.

You should follow your own advice.

[Barnabas]

Because neither the US nor Russia has declared war yet. Granted, Putin’s likely to just skip the formalities and use Nukes to take out a major rival so it will likely at least be a short war.

None of the 8 proxy wars happening inside syria will lead to anything major happening between us and russia outside of syria. Proxy wars are designed to circumvent direct confrontations. Modern proxy wars take an indirect approach. The idea is to subdue the enemy without fighting. The whole point of the us and russia being involved is to influence the strategic outcome. All that happened lately is just sabre rattling. So what if Assad loses a palace?

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They are all going from same source - rebel/White Helmets video.
Once video is spread reaction is predictable because it fits previously used script - news today generally feed into preconceived notions, and for anything coming from Syria such notion is "Is it bad? Assad's/Russian fault".

No need for conspiracy; narrative is already well established, you need effort to break out of it, not to follow it.

This is the price for russia wanting to keep their puppet leader there. When he uses those weapons on people this is the result. Don't complain about it to anyone but your guy you want there.

[Khaza-R]

United States hasn't seriously considered regime change policy wise since Obama's red line was crossed. The majority of the America's focus since then has been on ISIS and providing air support for the Kurds.

If you mean public opinion, then sure, some people have wanted Assad gone, but the majority of Americans don't have the stomach for intervention. I don't blame them considering how badly the Iraq war went. But most arguments against a regime change aren't serious. They're littered with conspiracy theories and cynicism, not rational thought. You can make a legitimate, and thoughtful argument against intervention without resorting to nonsense about false flags and the like.
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Sorry, but I don't believe that for second. April 4, 2017 nearly a year ago, we had Nikki Haley exclaiming to the UN that Assad must go. Fast forward to March, 30 2018, Haley states "“You pick and choose your battles and when we’re looking at this, it’s about changing up priorities and our priority is no longer to sit there and focus on getting Assad out,”

So yeah, this change is only recent and marks a departure from the goal of the UK and France which still want the removal of Assad.

Syria is already stuck in a power vacuum. That's why I legitimately don't want to see an intervention on same scale as the one in Iraq because it would only make things worse for Syria and for us. The time for that kind of intervention was back in 2013, and that time has passed. Don't get me wrong, I legitimately want to see Assad dangling from a rope, but the only intervention I'd support is one with the full power and support of NATO that had an actual strategy to restore peace. Bombing Syria and leaving what's left of it's population to pick up the pieces, like what happened in Libya, would be the ultimate betrayal to Syrians. But I don't have any faith that a proper NATO humanitarian intervention would ever happen in our political climate, so I feel like advocating for such a thing would be delusional.

I can respect your hesitation. If only people had such foresight with Iraq.

Regardless, the best way to deal with Assad is to remove the people's dependence on him. His support in Syria exists because the people believe he keeps them safe from the myriad of terrorist groups that plague the country. Any meaningful attempt to re-establish a free democracy in Syria cannot be done without tackling Assad and these jihadist groups simultaneously. But as I believe you were saying, this is impossible without a full multinational effort to achieve. Which seems only like a pipe dream

[crusadernero]

I just dont get why the hell countries like the US and others have this desire to meddle in so many countries. What good has it come out of it? tell me one damn thing.

If a country got issues, let them solve it by themself.

If they want some sharia-bronzeage way of life, so be it. Good riddance on them. Let them rot in that way of life.

But western countries going in to create "peace"? PFFT, biggest lie the western civilization has been told for many years now. And most of us eat it up and accept it.

This is fueled by greed, power and money. Nothing else.

I got so angry when my country(Norway) bombed Libya back to stoneage. Sure, theyre dictator was not the best kind of guy. We can all agree on that. But what was the alternative? Look at the country now. Its in shambles. Civil war and total chaos. Atleast Gadaffi held the country together.

[Khaza-R]

I just dont get why the hell countries like the US and others have this desire to meddle in so many countries. What good has it come out of it? tell me one damn thing.

If a country got issues, let them solve it by themself.

If they want some sharia-bronzeage way of life, so be it. Good riddance on them. Let them rot in that way of life.

But western countries going in to create "peace"? PFFT, biggest lie the western civilization has been told for many years now. And most of us eat it up and accept it.

This is fueled by greed, power and money. Nothing else.

The irony of course is that the US and others have supported groups who wish to overthrow the status quo in Syria, the only secular Arab nation, and impose as you put it "sharia-bronzeage way of life".

[crusadernero]

The irony of course is that the US and others have supported groups who wish to overthrow the status quo in Syria, the only secular Arab nation, and impose as you put it "sharia-bronzeage way of life".

Yes, and for what reason? I dont see any good reason at all. Yes, there are bad people in charge in many of these countries. But is it up to us to fix this? And fix it by bombing the countries over and over again? A whole generation of angry young arabs are growing up, hating the west.

[Independent voter]

The French put Assad's people, the Alawhite, in charge of Syria when they won Syrian from the Turks. Why did France pick a small minority to lead the country? It's a colonialist tactic, you put the minority group in charge and then the minority group will depend on the colonial power for protection.

France gave the Alawhite all the government and military jobs. The majority Sunni population, the Alawhite being Shiite, got nothing. Soon the Sunnis began to hate the Alawhite.

Then the French pulled out.

How did Assad's dad stay in charge? When Sunnis make up 80% of Syria? He terrorized the population.

And here we are now.

This shit is going to go on in one form or another for a hundred years.