So since 20-man mythic is here to stay in BfA...

[Wvvtayy]

Can the people who cry for 10-man mythic finally go away? It's been 3 expansions now. 10-man heroic mode giving the same reward as 25 was a horrible mistake Blizzard made in cata and they've acknowledged this by making Mythic 20-man only in WoD. Why should the people who put in the work assembling and organizing a large group get the same reward as the lazy people who chose not to?

[Arkura]

I dont think they made 20-man mythic a thing because 10 man heroic gives the same loot as 25 man heroic, I dont really understand why the loot in a 25 man raid should give higher ilvl gear because they have 15 more people in the raid, having more people raid in the same dificulty doesnt really make it harder does it?

20 man mythic raiding was made because balancing around 20 people is easier then 25 or 15. Especially since mythic fights are pretty muched based on the 10-30 raid format but with a bit more mechanics to deal with in the fight compared to heroic.
I dont even think loot was a thing that they even thought about when setting the raid sizes.. "What ilvl will some people deem fair if we make a 20 man limit?". That just sounds stupid to me.

Edit: I just re-read your post and noticed that your just looking for drama. So meh why did I post.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Can the people who cry for 10-man mythic finally go away? It's been 3 expansions now. 10-man heroic mode giving the same reward as 25 was a horrible mistake Blizzard made in cata and they've acknowledged this by making Mythic 20-man only in WoD. Why should the people who put in the work assembling and organizing a large group get the same reward as the lazy people who chose not to?

Nope. Had 25 man for 4 and its gone. Time means nothing.

[RobertoCarlos]

Can the people who cry for 10-man mythic finally go away? It's been 3 expansions now. 10-man heroic mode giving the same reward as 25 was a horrible mistake Blizzard made in cata and they've acknowledged this by making Mythic 20-man only in WoD. Why should the people who put in the work assembling and organizing a large group get the same reward as the lazy people who chose not to?

It had nothing to do with loot, it was supposed to make tuning easier because you only need to tune for one size of group.

They go the lazy route and take away options, yay?

And from mythic emerald nightmare too mythic tomb of sag they still suck at tuning

[Wvvtayy]

I dont think they made 20-man mythic a thing because 10 man heroic gives the same loot as 25 man heroic, I dont really understand why the loot in a 25 man raid should give higher ilvl gear because they have 15 more people in the raid, having more people raid in the same dificulty doesnt really make it harder does it?

20 man mythic raiding was made because balancing around 20 people is easier then 25 or 15. Especially since mythic fights are pretty muched based on the 10-30 raid format but with a bit more mechanics to deal with in the fight compared to heroic.
I dont even think loot was a thing that they even thought about when setting the raid sizes.. "What ilvl will some people deem fair if we make a 20 man limit?". That just sounds stupid to me.

Edit: I just re-read your post and noticed that your just looking for drama. So meh why did I post.

Because it's significantly harder to coordinate 24 other people than it is to coordinate 9 others.

[Teri]

People will have more incentive to do Mythic in BfA since LFR/Normal/Heroic Azerite gear/weapons cannot titanforge equal/past mythic itemlevel.

I mean, they can't even warforge, so that's 4 pieces always highest itemlevel in Mythic, and I imagine weapons still being a big part of that.

Azerite gear even the leveling stuff has massive stamina/mainstat because it has no secondary, so even without counting the powers, it will matter.

Mythic should never be flex size also.

[Wvvtayy]

Nope. Had 25 man for 4 and its gone. Time means nothing.

Yeah but you only had 10 and 25 being the same loot for 2.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Yeah but you only had 10 and 25 being the same loot for 2.

I dont give much shit for loot. People do LFR and get better gear than a mythic player these days at random times. I care about people having meaningful content beyond people do in pugs as smaller groups. But mythic+ is clearly going to be the new focus anyway.

[Nomads]

25 was always a stupid number.

[Fyersing]

I haven't raided seriously (i.e. highest difficulty) since 10-man was a thing. Not for lack of being able to find a guild, or any of that recruiting nonsense, but because I simply don't enjoy it -- and this distaste for larger groups has become easier to double-down on with things like Mythic+ in Legion and, soon, with Island Expeditions in BfA.

So for any curly-headed CM's that might be prowling these forums, put me down as a tally in the column "Exclusively Participates in 10-man (Or Less) Content".

[Nefarious Tea]

Because it's significantly harder to coordinate 24 other people than it is to coordinate 9 others.

If the players are of equal skill then coordination is a non-issue. If anything 25 player raids were "harder" because you were more likely to be carrying half the raid, just as you were with 40 mans.

[Pickynerd]

People will have more incentive to do Mythic in BfA since LFR/Normal/Heroic Azerite gear/weapons cannot titanforge equal/past mythic itemlevel.

I mean, they can't even warforge, so that's 4 pieces always highest itemlevel in Mythic, and I imagine weapons still being a big part of that.

Azerite gear even the leveling stuff has massive stamina/mainstat because it has no secondary, so even without counting the powers, it will matter.

Mythic should never be flex size also.

That being said, mythic will probably be easier. I mean that is what happened to heroic, its basically normal, since normal is basically LFR.

[dopefishz]

Nope. I will be crying in every forum until they give me mythic 10man. The addition of mythic raiding killed raiding for me. I always raided 10man heroic, anything above that just isn't for me (and many, many others). They just want to sit on their lazy asses and only tune 1 mythic-raidsize, even tho it worked out multiple addons before WoD.

Yes, 20man mythic may stay, but so will the outcries to give us back 10man raiding (mythic, just incase you're gonna tell me to go raid heroic).

[Usagi Senshi]

I don't care anymore, I prefer mythic plus and just doing normal/heroic now. I stopped raiding with a static team after doing the first raid on mythic in WoD and not liking the extra assholes and visual diaraeha.

[Deleted]

Can the people who cry for 10-man mythic finally go away? It's been 3 expansions now. 10-man heroic mode giving the same reward as 25 was a horrible mistake Blizzard made in cata and they've acknowledged this by making Mythic 20-man only in WoD. Why should the people who put in the work assembling and organizing a large group get the same reward as the lazy people who chose not to?

The irony here being that 10 man was significantly harder than 25 man in almost every single encounter

[Deleted]

I dont think they made 20-man mythic a thing because 10 man heroic gives the same loot as 25 man heroic, I dont really understand why the loot in a 25 man raid should give higher ilvl gear because they have 15 more people in the raid, having more people raid in the same dificulty doesnt really make it harder does it?

said mr I was never a raid leader
25 was alway to much and 10 men should have never been a thing for raids.

[Deleted]

I want 10man back because I enjoy the smaller niche group & yes it should still give the same gear as the 20man mode.

[Drusin]

People will have more incentive to do Mythic in BfA since LFR/Normal/Heroic Azerite gear/weapons cannot titanforge equal/past mythic itemlevel.

I mean, they can't even warforge, so that's 4 pieces always highest itemlevel in Mythic, and I imagine weapons still being a big part of that.

Azerite gear even the leveling stuff has massive stamina/mainstat because it has no secondary, so even without counting the powers, it will matter.

Mythic should never be flex size also.

That's less reason lol. "Why do mythic, titanforge? That's ok".

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I don't care anymore, I prefer mythic plus and just doing normal/heroic now.

That is sounding like a good life

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Nope. I will be crying in every forum until they give me mythic 10man.

Hey! I'll be crying in every forum until I get a character cap past 50 We can be Q_Q buddies

[MisterBigglez]

The jump fom 10 man to 20 man killed many guilds because they were expected to recruit another 10 people just to contnue doing the hardest difficulty. I personally would like 10 man to return, it never will, but I would probably react like how all the vanilla fans reacted with classic servers being announced if they decided to bing back 10 man.

10 man had its perks but came with a lot of disadvantages, and yet, many people loved it. They didn't care if the bosses were harder. They didn't care if they had to be very efficient with rosters. Having a smaller team allows for an easier time to bond with everyone. Ever since 20 man, it seems like in every guild you see, theres always split groups amongst the 20 players on the team. Never do they all hang out and bond at the same time outside of raids. I really miss the times in SoO when I was doing heroic with the guild. The players in the raid team are players i've known for years and we still chat on discord and play games on a regular basis. Now, in the current guild i'm in, I only realy talk with those who are the same class as me and the officers. Real shame, but thats how it is.

[dproject]

yeah i completely agree with the OP. 10 man raid should not be rewarded same as 25 man raid.
if you want smaller size doing harder content, just do mythic+ dungeons.
please don't ruin this game once again by bringing shitty idea of 10 man mythic raid ..