Arcane Torrent finally nerfed

[nToxik]

It's about time they nerfed AT.

[Nfinitii]

*Watches as 80% of the blood elfs race change to nightbourne*

Probably not, NB racials r terrible. I can c BE Paladins going over to Tauren.

[Saverem]

Will it work against a Paladin's BoP?

It might, but realize that a bunch of buffs are coming back, and this only dispels ONE buff. So, it could just dispel like Arcane Intellect instead of BoP.

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*Watches as 80% of the blood elfs race change to nightbourne*

Only the casters should, NB have god awful racials for melees.

Anyhoo, my only BELF is a DH, so I'm stuck there.

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Probably not, NB racials r terrible. I can c BE Paladins going over to Tauren.

Or Zandalari! Apparently they are getting Paladin class from Blizz's obvious hint.

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Guess they couldn't think of anything more useless

They should make it dispel 1 magic debuff from the BELF too, then maybe it'll be worth it. It still wouldn't be as good as an AoE silence, but at least it wouldn't be completely trash.

[Stormspellz]

nerfed for PVP, not so much PVE. I still feel forced to play Blood Elf for the mana gain as a healer.

Its been in the game for a decade, and been complained about for a decade, but one expansion with mythic+ and it gets nerfed. Figure it out.

[Selastan]

What was the old one, for comparison? I just used it for the mana regen, never paid attention to what else it did.

[shaunika123]

Its been in the game for a decade, and been complained about for a decade, but one expansion with mythic+ and it gets nerfed. Figure it out.

it was never OP anywhere before mythic+ became a thing though.

in raids was good for some classes bad for others
in pvp it was decent for a few but blanket silences used to be so ubiquitous for a lot of classes until the last few years that it almost always was pmuch useless

human and undead were the prominent pvp races for the vast vast majority of the game, and have received way more complaints than BEs ever did.


edit: btw wasnt the 2017 MDI won by an alliance team?

[Stormspellz]

it was never OP anywhere before mythic+ became a thing though.

in raids was good for some classes bad for others
in pvp it was decent for a few but blanket silences used to be so ubiquitous for a lot of classes until the last few years that it almost always was pmuch useless

human and undead were the prominent pvp races for the vast vast majority of the game, and have received way more complaints than BEs ever did.

EMFH was a bigger problem specifically when pve trinkets ruled pvp, but torrent was always a problem no matter the meta whether it was overshadowed by other op/stupid things or not.

[shaunika123]

EMFH was a bigger problem specifically when pve trinkets ruled pvp, but torrent was always a problem no matter the meta whether it was overshadowed by other op/stupid things or not.

even in MoP where you couldnt use pve trinkets, EMFH was the best option IIRC?

but even if it wasnt WOTF was still there

[murbaez]

Recklessness is not a magic buff, basically any CD from a noncaster class is not a magic buff.
I think the only offensive cd's that are dispellable are the Mage & Warlock ones.

Altough it is obviously a gamble whether you get certain buffs like Blessing(s) or PW:S.

The thing that's confusing is that it doesn't say magic buff. it says beneficial effect. If it is only magic buffs than yeah, it's not too great against melee at all. But if it is any beneficial effect than it could be decent. So i suppose the question to me is, is it more of a mass enemy dispel, or more of a tranq shot?

Also, side note, it could still possibly be useful in the island expeditions for things like bloodlust/heroism

[Myta]

AOE purge is still good, but not M+ defining good.

[Kralljin]

The thing that's confusing is that it doesn't say magic buff. it says beneficial effect. If it is only magic buffs than yeah, it's not too great against melee at all.

Dispel (Magic)

Radius: 8 yard(s)

Number of debuffs to dispel: 1

https://beta.wowdb.com/spells/155145...nt#26433-26476

Lazy devs

Just for comparison:

https://beta.wowdb.com/spells/213644-cleanse-toxins

Effect #1
Dispel (Poison)

Number of debuffs to dispel: 100
Effect #2
Dispel (Disease)

Number of debuffs to dispel: 100

[Daedius]

To Blizzard; You no touch War Stomp!

[RobertoCarlos]

They really want people to reroll Void elves and nightborne dont they.

Well get paying kids.

[Sunslayer]

Damn, Blizzards about to rake in that race transfer cash. That is brutal.

This change goes well with whole "cash grabby" feel of BfA
Repackaged and resold abilities. Repackaged and resold Races. BfA, is like a huge regift that costs $50.

[Deleted]

To the ground, baby.

[Polarthief]

They're gonna make a fortune on race changes when this goes live

...said no PvE Blood Elf ever.

The PvP ones, yeah they probs will.

This change goes well with whole "cash grabby" feel of BfA
Repackaged and resold abilities. Repackaged and resold Races. BfA, is like a huge regift that costs $50.

Not to mention how it feels like WoD. The only new content is Warfronts, a boring as shit non-content grind and Island Expeditions which is just as shitty and overhyped as MoP Scenarios.

Calling it now, BfA will be content-starved pretty quick once you get bored of redoing all the shit you've been doing in Legion.

[RobertoCarlos]

...said no PvE Blood Elf ever.

The PvP ones, yeah they probs will.



Not to mention how it feels like WoD. The only new content is Warfronts, a boring as shit non-content grind and Island Expeditions which is just as shitty and overhyped as MoP Scenarios.

If you think people didnt use AT in pve you are massively mistaken.

Forget about a little feature called dungeons and M+? Also the energy gain etc is good for raiding too

[Deleted]

Dispel (Magic)

Radius: 8 yard(s)

Number of debuffs to dispel: 1

https://beta.wowdb.com/spells/155145...nt#26433-26476

Lazy devs

Just for comparison:

https://beta.wowdb.com/spells/213644-cleanse-toxins

Effect #1
Dispel (Poison)

Number of debuffs to dispel: 100
Effect #2
Dispel (Disease)

Number of debuffs to dispel: 100

You're comparing to the wrong spell, that's a defensive dispel, not offensive. Here: https://beta.wowdb.com/spells/528-dispel-magic

That said, it now falls in to really shitty (active) racials pool, along with nightborne, pandaren and undead.

[Hypasonic]

By beneficial effect I assume it means any buff a mob has, so it isn't just tied to magic? Could be useful then tbf. Maybe it can remove bolstering stacks.

[Eurhetemec]

That said, it now falls in to really shitty (active) racials pool, along with nightborne, pandaren and undead.

Even ignoring the buff removal entirely, the resource gain on a 90 second cooldown means it is AT LEAST a tier above Nightborne/Pandaren/Undead. So that's not true. I mean the Nightborne one is motherfucking terminal. It's basically a pretty visual on a 3 minute cooldown.

I'd say that even ignoring the buff removal entirely it's middle-of-the-pack, racial-wise, in with all the slightly dodgy but not totally terrible racials.

I mean, do we want to make some kind of tier list? Because there's no way it's going to be with the worst. If you include the buff removal... well it doesn't really change. Still niche-dubious but not totally terrible.