Like they care?
There isn't even anyone in charge of pvp anymore for how long now? There isnt even a plan for this side of the game, I guess we should be thankful they even let it exist at this point.
This is basically the legion "class fantasy" excuse for pruning. When an ability is pruned, an option is lost. It may be a mobility option, an offensive option, a defensive option, a control option, or a mix of all four. After the option is removed you will find yourself in a combat situation where you are hopeless, whereas before you had an option. This kills PvP. It's all about plays and outplays. Pruning removes both... ability by ability.
I never liked stormbolt personally. An undodgeable physical ranged stun. It shouldn't be pruned and left alone, but replaced with either concussive blow or throwdown. Also, its existence didn't make charge's stun any less useful. Stormbolt is was another option warriors gained for gapclosing, lockdown, or off-cc.
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Pruning became a problem in WoD, the people complaining about it back then are not to be discredited. They were right.
I also recall seeing a blue post stating that grounding totem was removed because encounter devs forgot to mark boss abilities as immune to grounding. And celestalon having to be reminded that shadowstep being merged with ambush was a bad idea. And also when celestalon tried to explain that brewmasters weren't playing their class correctly.
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When class design has gotten worse in every expansion since MoP, isn't it fair to say BFA design is worse than legion design which is worse than WoD design which is worse than MoP design?
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For every thread like that which ends up being correct, there's at least 10 that would turn out to be entirely wrong if Blizzard went with it. It's only possible to know for sure once it's done and people play it. You can spend all your energy being mad about this one instance, or you can thank them for not completely destroying the game with the thousands of shit suggestions stupid people from the community have asked but Blizzard ignored.
what on earth are you even going on about?
Blizzard's changes in Legion were doomed the moment they were announced. and they werent even suggestions they were just random shit pulled out of a dev's ass.
cmon, auto-casted shit and disable/roots/stuns being stuck into NORMAL PVE DPS ROTATIONS for no reason at all, there is no way on earth that wouldn't doom the shit out of PvP in the game, not to mention all the other changes mentioned in the thread the guy made, every one of those things blizz did in legion destroyed wow pvp
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I'm not saying they didn't, I'm saying it's impossible to know until it's in there and people try it for real.
You think Blizz saw that and went "yeah he's right but whatever lol let's do this shit"?
They get a ton of suggestion every day and most of them are straight up stupid. If you were in their shoes you most likely would have done worse. But whatever really, don't think any further than what you believe.
What, more excuse-making for Blizz? You bet your ass they say, "yeah we'll do whatever shit we want". How long is something supposed to be in the game for "people to try it for real"...until it's deemed garbage and removed or reverted, or is it until they've made enough profit on a shitty design??
What's stupid is thinking that Blizz has the best interests of the gameplay in mind when they've proven for years that they do not. But they're good at lying about it and spinning a rosy picture.
As I've said, EVERYTHING they do to the game can be traced back to in some way stretching out your time-logged-in to increase profits, or to sell something in the online Shop.
"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
"Do you want a game with no casuals so about 500 players?"
Yea they don't even understand 90% of the problems with pvp.
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The problem with idiotic denials like this is Blizzes history that many of us are quite aware of. The only retort you have is resorting to calling something "conspiracy theory" when you know goddamned well Blizzard's shenanigans over the years. Pro tip: it's not a "theory" when it's actually true.
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And having more buttons isn't necessarily adding skill either, when there is a greater chance of one of them being the perfect choice.
Less isn't just bad, and more isn't just better.
Why does this claim about pruning making things so easy not reflect in actual results for most players.
Why are the minority still the only ones performing in PVP and in PVE.
And what did World PvP have for rewards outside of the Vanilla PvP ranks ?
Nothing.
Yet it was still popular enough for a long time.
It is a sad state of things when players don't deem fun a good enough reason to do something.
Yerp.
Prior to Legion, i primarily PvPed for my lesiure time in WoW. From Vanilla through now. (Though i did do a lot of 5-mans in Vanilla, and really enjoyed them.). From TBC through WoD, though... PvP was 80% of my playtime.
I havent set foot into a BG or Arena (not that i ever Arena’d much) since maybe... two months after Legion launched. And i llayed about... two dozen in total across all five toons.
Lack of meaningful rewards killed it. Completely. And this is from a guy who, during WoD, was dealing with the “meh” PvP design and gearing 5 toons in Conquest gear through Random BGs and Ashran only. No rated.
Now... theres no point. I can literally get better rewards riding around Argus killing rares and opening chests than i can get unless i do rated and end up in the top 10%.
PvP needs meaningful rewards to draw the casuals into propping up the ladder/queues.
I never said anything guarantees a voice in WoW's game design, but that's a cute strawman to set up to conveniently knock down. lul
Meanwhile, we know that for years Blizz has asked for feedback & suggestions from its players, and have also received theorycrafting and such from the community.
I guess I misunderstood what you meant by this statement.The fact is we pay these asshats for a product, then have to pay an ongoing monthly sub fee to fully use the product. That kinda means it's 'our' game too. If it's just "their game" then why do they bother trying to sell it to others? Why not just play it themselves? kek
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