Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Koroniss]

You can look back at my posts and you'll see I am not requesting them now. In fact, if you actually do it, you'll find me claiming that High Elves would only be added as a tool to keep WoW alive when the number of subs will be in critical condition. So you are telling that High Elves won't be added now or soon to a wrong person.

Look, I don't care about your background and about your stance about High Elves. You've just said to me to create my own game if I don't like WoW. That's akin to saying "manufacture your own car if you don't like this one" or "build your own house if you don't want to live in this one". This is extremely ridiculous advice and one would say it only in 2 conditions: a person is not thinking what he is writing or he is trolling. I gave you a benefit of the doubt and assumed that you was trolling, but if you weren't, then congratulations, your advice was extremely dumb.

The heck are you even talking about? If you think that I was either trolling you or giving you an actual advise to go and develop your own game, and there was absolutely nothing inbetween those two interpretations that I could've been referring to, you are certainly thinking inside some tight box. Do you remember how it started – with you stating that you want to get a certain product (Alliance High Elves). Upon being told that they offered you that product (Void Elves), you simply discarded the option. Because there are some differences between how Blizzard envisioned implementing Alliance High Elves to be and the way you do. As you don't agree that Void Elves are your High Elves. They do not meet your criteria. You want them done in a certain way.

And who is to say that if they add another batch of Alliance High Elves again later, the race will be to your liking? The same appearance, theme, lore and general fantasy that you want, exactly the way you want it? How do you imagine them? What if another High Elves fan wants them implemented differently? What if they disagree with your notion? I saw some extremely varying concepts in the past weeks.

I was merely referring to the fact that if you want a certain content done exactly the way you want it done, then yes, the only way to make sure it meets all of your criteria is to create it yourself. Or make a customized order to a third party and pay them to do so. Otherwise, you will have to accept your next best option, which would inevitably deviate from your exact wish to a certain degree. Your examples above are hilarious, but even they follow the same principle. If you are looking for a house with specific layout you desire, and nothing but that layout, as you stated yourself, yet there is nothing for sale that happens to match your criteria – yes, you'll again have to hire contractors to build it per your individual specifications.

So congrats, you just went ahead and blew that out of proportion.

I am not sure why we are having such dumb discussion. It is neither productive, nor positive. If you want, play the game as it is. If not, don't and wait for it to better suit your preferences. You gave your feedback to Blizzard, we all did. They certainly have it in mind.

Take care.

[Syferite]

But blizzard hates the alliance. Deal with it already. They love ugly things like the horde.

Can this just stop?

The only actual time Blizz showed outright favoritism was during Cataclysm, and that was because they wanted to give more content to the Horde since their vanilla content was pretty shit.

Other than that, both sides get plenty of content. Everything else is just your own personal take on the quality of the content. Horde questing feels better? Well I have an Alliance and Horde toon, and I find Alliance questing to be significantly better in quality. That's my opinion. Should I now proclaim that Blizz is biased towards the Alliance?
Horde races are getting more customization? Well, Alliance is getting the coolest Allied Race so far in the form of the Dark Iron Dwarves. Is this Alliance favoritism?

Blizz not wanting to implement High Elves is not a sign that they hate the Alliance. It's a sign that they want to maintain their artistic integrity. They don't want to give the Alliance a ctrl c & ctrl v of an existing race. They may likely find another solution to cater to the demand of traditional Tolkien Elves in the future, but giving blue eyed blood elves is not going to be their solution.

I really think Nathanos style Undead is way too big of an ask of Blizzard no matter how it could be done.

Exactly. It's inline with their approach to High Elves. They aren't a fan of copy/pasting a model from 1 faction, editing the color palette , and then packaging it to the other faction. Not without putting, what they might feel as, their own unique touch to it. If it's the same faction, they're fine with it, since it maintains factional identity.

[Softbottom]

Why are people being giant babies about a race that hasn't been added lol. This thread is ridiculous.

[Byne]

I really love the idea of high elves.
But blizzard hates the alliance. Deal with it already. They love ugly things like the horde.
So let's give up my alliance brothers and sisters and let's faith that we are the hated faction. For whatever reason.

"The tribal wisdom of the Dakota Indians, passed on from generation to generation, says that when you discover that you are riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount."

But the alliance got void elves, the race with by far the most effort put into them of all the current allied races.

[Rhlor]

Have you ONLY played wow by chance? Do you only know of wows highelves?

Because they do have a history before.

And we want what the high elves represebt the lore the story and more not "blue eyed be" we want he. Their is a difference culturally and historically in the warcraft series.

highvale elves comic Legends Volume 2



they are normal thalassian elves

[Kemsa]

Blizzard doesnt love Horde and doesnt hate alliance, and one of the biggest evidence of that is the beautifull title of

"conqueror of Orgrimmar" like yeah..... alliance have the pride to show how beautifull was sack the main city.... at least i can have my conqueror of stormw....oh wait no...

So dont pull that people, Blizzard its not going to give alliance a horde race, High Elves are just Blood Elves its just an adjective. Its the same race but with diferent idealogy and therefore its not like Tauren with HM tauren, wich the second one have a intrincated Lore related to the War of the Ancients and diferent customizations from tatoos, horns and special forms for druids, nightborne are not the Suramar people this are supposed to be the ones that eat from the Arcandor, they supposed to be Whittered.

Void elves are yet to be developed, because they are from BfA not from Legion, right now you can play one because its a pre-ordered bonus and you can experience every featured of Legion with that race. Do NOT expect much from them because they are nonexistan "on the lore" yes you can see them now, because Blizzard is giving you the option.

Warcraft was always depicted as the "ANTI TOLKIEN" style of game, and for that it gain hundreds of followers and after WC2 the introduction of a more intricated story related to the Horde as a group of warriors wanting to survive, made the Warcraft Universe the most related fantasy story that people could found. Just look at some of the Horde races depict people from diferent cultures united for one goal, survive. And for that Helves joined the Horde, all of that happened between WC3 the Frozen Throne and the events of the Burning Crusade.

[LowestFormOfWit]

This entire shitshow makes me feel bad for all the people who actually play and enjoy the Void Elves. Their aesthetic is one that, at least I, sought transmog out for that wouldn't have worked on any other race.

I also feel bad for Nightborne fans. Despite having the largest presence, story, and showtime in Legion among all Allied Races, their player equivilant was clearly either very rushed, or worked on first and paused to work on other things.

[Zorish]

"the fact that the beautiful model thallassian model was originally given to the horde, frustrate me

that type of style belongs to the alliance"


oh boy, why they didn't a discord before, this is top lvl kek, nice to see they showing their true colors, and how the "lore" is just a bullshit explanation.

at least someone like this screens

[Alixie]

This entire shitshow makes me feel bad for all the people who actually play and enjoy the Void Elves. Their aesthetic is one that, at least I, sought transmog out for that wouldn't have worked on any other race.

I also feel bad for Nightborne fans. Despite having the largest presence, story, and showtime in Legion among all Allied Races, their player equivilant was clearly either very rushed, or worked on first and paused to work on other things.

Im enjoying my Void Elf; they got the best hair styles by FAR of any race. Im disappointed that they didnt use the opportunity to expand their barebones presence by including "normal" skin tones as an option, to reflect the Blood and High elf wayfarers that are joining the fraction. Now they're implying that the player Void Elf is one of Umbric's followers, meaning the Void Elves are literally 2 dozen strong.

Im not a High Elf fan, but damn, Id rather have the Silver Covenant, a long time and active allied fraction, than the Dark Irons, who havnt don't shit except squat in Ironforge for a decade.

[Elysia]

Gonna give an official warning at this point that, while dissenting opinions are obviously welcome, y'all need to chill it with the overbearing condescension and rudeness to each other. Insulting people on either side is not okay. Coming into the thread just to mock it is not okay.

If you see this type of behavior, please report it, and it will be handled. Thank you!

[Ithekro]

I think I've figured out why Horde players are more invested in the Faction Wall, while Alliance players (especially human players) aren't. The Horde quests from what I remember, have you fighting the other things or races early on. Sure you sometimes fight one of your own species here and then in the first few zones, but for the most part its animals, non-playable races, or Alliance races you are killing. Even the Forsaken kill some Scourge and than go on to killing Scarlet Crusaders, Human mages, and later Worgen. "For the Horde" as a faction is more drummed into the players early on.

For the Alliance, especially human characters, we are mostly killing other humans. I've killing a metric ton and more humans in this game than probably anything else. From the Defias, to the Syndicate, to the Southshore Pirates, to the Cult of the Damned, to the Scarlet Crusade, to the Twilights Hammer Cultist, to various servants of the Old God, Legion allied Warlocks, to traitorous Houses on Kul'Tiras. I've killed a lot of humans. The Dwarves kill a lot of dwarves (Dark Iron ones at that). Gnomes fight Leper Gnomes as well as troggs, but Gnomes have little presence in the world. Only the Night Elves, Draenei, and Worgen actually fight the Horde races a bit early on. After Northshire and the Dark Horde, the Human players don't see them again until Redridge, and even after that, its mostly humans you are killing. The Alliance doesn't do much for its own identity until much later in leveling.

So to me, having someone of my species on the other faction as playable is no big deal. I'd just try to kill them too like the rest in game.

[Syegfryed]

I think I've figured out why Horde players are more invested in the Faction Wall, while Alliance players (especially human players) aren't. The Horde quests from what I remember, have you fighting the other things or races early on. Sure you sometimes fight one of your own species here and then in the first few zones, but for the most part its animals, non-playable races, or Alliance races you are killing. Even the Forsaken kill some Scourge and than go on to killing Scarlet Crusaders, Human mages, and later Worgen. "For the Horde" as a faction is more drummed into the players early on.

For the Alliance, especially human characters, we are mostly killing other humans. I've killing a metric ton and more humans in this game than probably anything else. From the Defias, to the Syndicate, to the Southshore Pirates, to the Cult of the Damned, to the Scarlet Crusade, to the Twilights Hammer Cultist, to various servants of the Old God, Legion allied Warlocks, to traitorous Houses on Kul'Tiras. I've killed a lot of humans. The Dwarves kill a lot of dwarves (Dark Iron ones at that). Gnomes fight Leper Gnomes as well as troggs, but Gnomes have little presence in the world. Only the Night Elves, Draenei, and Worgen actually fight the Horde races a bit early on. After Northshire and the Dark Horde, the Human players don't see them again until Redridge, and even after that, its mostly humans you are killing. The Alliance doesn't do much for its own identity until much later in leveling.

So to me, having someone of my species on the other faction as playable is no big deal. I'd just try to kill them too like the rest in game.

your argument is flawless when we, and with WE i talk both factions, spend most of wow lifetime killing orcs, trolls undeads and elves

the most recent expansion was about killing orcs, and shitting on orc story

TBC we prob kill more elves and orcs than actually "demon" i guess

undeads are the main kill loot in WtlK, with one dungeon now and then

and of course trolls, the most loot pinata of all races, one troll raid per expansion was not just a meme afterall.

So, your argument is invalid. For alliance they don't have problem with the "faction wall" because they have no eminent danger of one of their races going to horde, this problem is only for the horde and then alone, screw then

And of course they( only the ones who want HE prob) don't care about the faction wall if this mean getting what they desire, selfish? maybe, i bet alliance players would not want lose dwarfs and humans to the horde in the trade.

[Sorrior]

your argument is flawless when we, and with WE i talk both factions, spend most of wow lifetime killing orcs, trolls undeads and elves

the most recent expansion was about killing orcs, and shitting on orc story

TBC we prob kill more elves and orcs than actually "demon" i guess

undeads are the main kill loot in WtlK, with one dungeon now and then

and of course trolls, the most loot pinata of all races, one troll raid per expansion was not just a meme afterall.

So, your argument is invalid. For alliance they don't have problem with the "faction wall" because they have no eminent danger of one of their races going to horde, this problem is only for the horde and then alone, screw then

And of course they( only the ones who want HE prob) don't care about the faction wall if this mean getting what they desire, selfish? maybe, i bet alliance players would not want lose dwarfs and humans to the horde in the trade.

Why would humans or dwarves on horde be bad? Hell why not put dark iron on horde? Given how much we fight them as alliance makes sense to me.

[Syegfryed]

Why would humans or dwarves on horde be bad? Hell why not put dark iron on horde? Given how much we fight them as alliance makes sense to me.

like i said any trade is worth if people get the elf

obviously would be bad because blur the faction and damage faction identity

[Traveler Voltin]

Just let this thread die and come back when you people can actually think straight without being emotional

[Gentlepenguin]

like i said any trade is worth if people get the elf

obviously would be bad because blur the faction and damage faction identity

Seriously, they try to play it cool then show their hand by saying. "You can have ANYTHING you want if you give us elves! We care about lore btw"

Yeah, I'd trade a nickel for a dollar too. I am much more transparent on that front. I only want high elves on Alliance because the rest of their races are ugly.

[corebit]

I think I've figured out why Horde players are more invested in the Faction Wall, while Alliance players (especially human players) aren't.
-SNIP-

Speak for yourself. I play Alliance and I'm very invested in keeping the faction identity. I don't want Horde races in the Alliance just like I don't want Alliance races in the Horde.

It seems the High Elf camp needs a daily reminder that no one elected them to speak for or represent the Alliance.

[Obelisk Kai]

Why would humans or dwarves on horde be bad? Hell why not put dark iron on horde? Given how much we fight them as alliance makes sense to me.

Speak for yourself. I play Alliance and I'm very invested in keeping the faction identity. I don't want Horde races in the Alliance just like I don't want Alliance races in the Horde.

It seems the High Elf camp needs a daily reminder that no one elected them to speak for or represent the Alliance.

I am a bit surprised at the lengths the pro High Elf camp are willing to go to get High Elves.

Humans for the Horde?

Dwarves for the Horde?

How can Alliance players be so blasé about their own faction? Where is the self-respect? Where is the joy in their own side?

No wonder the Alliance doesn't get nice things if some are willing to barter away what is so fundamentally important.

[Aldo Hawk]

I am a bit surprised at the lengths the pro High Elf camp are willing to go to get High Elves.

Humans for the Horde?

Dwarves for the Horde?

How can Alliance players be so blasé about their own faction? Where is the self-respect? Where is the joy in their own side?

No wonder the Alliance doesn't get nice things if some are willing to barter away what is so fundamentally important.

Yeah, still cherrypicking dumb commentaries and showing them like all pro highelfers think that crap.

While i think DI Dwarves could (i literally mean COULD) fit in the horde, i really think that Humans on Horde are out context.

Just trying to deviate the thread to a flaming war shows that you are not trying to be comprehensive, you just don't want this to happen because you don't want it, not because you have a weightened reason to it.

And i know that you will come with the faction wall, and i ask you: If the faction wall is so weak, why is so?

[Varodoc]

Blizzard is not biased towards the Horde. The Alliance is getting a ton of interesting Allied Races in the next expansion, including fan-favourite Dark Iron Dwarves (who look very hot), and Kul Tiran Humans, who have received praise by the community for their unique and original aesthetics (no, they are not just 'fat humans', just like Elves are not just 'pointy-heared humans). And Kul Tiras is often revered as one of the best continents in World of Warcraft, many say that it is ever better than Zandalar. And let us not forget that in this expansion Alliance's characters -- such as Turalyon, Alleria, Velen, Anduin, Greymane, Tyrande and Malfurion -- received a lot of character development, as did Night Elves, Worgen and Draenei as a whole. Blizzard hasn't been blatantly biased towards the Horde for years.

If Horde players wanted the Alliance Human model, for example, do you know what Ion would say?

"If you want a fair-skinned, living and bulky Human... sorry, the Alliance is there waiting for you."

It seems the High Elf camp needs a daily reminder that no one elected them to speak for or represent the Alliance.

Indeed. I am a Void Elf fan but I don't care about High Elves and in fact I don't want them playable. Also because they would inevitably stomp Void Elves from a population perspective (because the average Alliance player can't handle more elaborate and complex races like Void Elf and just has to play the usual boring lawful good races like Humans), and also from a lore standpoint, since effort that the writers would spend developing the High Elves could be better spent for the Alliance Thalassian group that is already in the game, and that is in desperate need of more lore development.