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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Aladya View Post
    Honestly?
    The budget involved in doing this is not exactly peanuts while the benefits to Blizzard are not exactly relevant.
    As is, the event has ~50k viewers. Hosting it in a LAN setting+upgrading setup+updating everything is not likely to increase viewer count by more than 10% while

    - having 32 teams (multiplied by 5 people each) adds a lot of plane ticket costs.
    - having 32 teams(multiplied by 5 people each) adds a lot of logistics in terms of hotels, transport and even location where the MDI is held.If you keep the 2 day schedule, you also need to feed the teams on site
    - even updating every UI item to match requests is not likely to add much

    Sure, Blizzard can afford it 1000 times considering WoW's subs/expansion preorders alone, but why would you spend so much money for so little in return?
    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Thoris View Post
    Sure 170 plane tickets and hotels, peanuts! Are you for real?
    For the amount of publicity involved, peanuts indeed. That is why I said 'halfhearted'. They are just toying around instead of going for it. If they do not take this more serious, how can they expect the teams to take it more serious? This is amateur hour. Just like their 'dev interviews' which use tech and direction far below even B-tier amateur streamers.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbywan View Post
    The first argument doesn't add up, it's two separate brackets with different conditions. you cant just say that Pogchamp is in the lead because they won a game in the group stage.
    Blizzard calls it a double elimination scheme. As pointed out in the other thread, this means that you need to be defeated *twice* to be out.

    Now, if you end up being the winner of the upper bracket, you never lost. And if you end up being the winner of the lower bracket, you lost once.
    Seen this way, deciding the winner of these two via one match is unfair; the upper-winner should have some advantage, in stead of entering that match on equal footing.
    One solution is not to play any final match; nr. 1 is upper-winner, nr. 2 is lower-winner.
    A second solution is to let them play a match against each other, but if the higher-winner looses, let them play a second match. This way, the upper-winner had its opportunity to loose two times as well.

    Now, this is Blizzard's game and they can decide it any way they wish. If they wish to keep it this way - dont call it a double elimination scheme.

  3. #23
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    Will people stop saying it was unfair that Limit had to re-run Lower Kara again instead of just having their time from the first run count. Blizzard were completely correct to make both teams race again. This is why..

    In a race against an opponent, you change the way you are racing based on how the race in going. When Limit saw that method has encountered an issue with maiden but did not ask for a remake, they were logically able to assume they were comfortably in the lead and this meant they would have been more cautious with pulls, would have done things with a different strategy. They also wouldn't have taken any risks that they would normally have to take if they were neck and neck. Just like Usain bolt used to slow down at the end of a 100M sprint heat to conserve energy and fitness if he knew he had a huge lead.

    This means they absolutely have to run the race again, both teams, as things that happen directly affect how the other adapts. Limit had the pressure reduced on them when they saw how far ahead of Method they were and were able to compete the dungeon more carefully. The second time round they had to take risks and lo and behold, their time suffered for it.

    This petition is stupid.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Lekiki View Post
    Will people stop saying it was unfair that Limit had to re-run Lower Kara again instead of just having their time from the first run count. Blizzard were completely correct to make both teams race again. This is why..

    In a race against an opponent, you change the way you are racing based on how the race in going. When Limit saw that method has encountered an issue with maiden but did not ask for a remake, they were logically able to assume they were comfortably in the lead and this meant they would have been more cautious with pulls, would have done things with a different strategy. They also wouldn't have taken any risks that they would normally have to take if they were neck and neck. Just like Usain bolt used to slow down at the end of a 100M sprint heat to conserve energy and fitness if he knew he had a huge lead.

    This means they absolutely have to run the race again, both teams, as things that happen directly affect how the other adapts. Limit had the pressure reduced on them when they saw how far ahead of Method they were and were able to compete the dungeon more carefully. The second time round they had to take risks and lo and behold, their time suffered for it.

    This petition is stupid.
    Your analogy with Usain Bolt is very apt; when he knew he was in the lead, he *slowed down*. This means that the time Limit set was a upper bound for what they could have done; they might have been faster if they knew their competition (Method NA) was much faster. Your argument would only make sense if Limit had slowed down so much that first match, that allowing Method NA to run against that time would be a sure win for Method NA. I rather doubt that, Limits run was very good.
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  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonora View Post
    Your analogy with Usain Bolt is very apt; when he knew he was in the lead, he *slowed down*. This means that the time Limit set was a upper bound for what they could have done; they might have been faster if they knew their competition (Method NA) was much faster. Your argument would only make sense if Limit had slowed down so much that first match, that allowing Method NA to run against that time would be a sure win for Method NA. I rather doubt that, Limits run was very good.
    Disagree completely. Limit had less pressure on them first and foremost as they knew they had a commanding lead. They therefore would have been able to be more cautious and methodical with pulls and didn't have to rush. They therefore had a very clean run which is naturally fast. It's like the key in door analogy. If you're in a horror movie and you try get in your door, if you rush you'll fumble around for minutes finding the right key. If you slowly pick the key out and calmly open the lock, you'll get in much quicker by going slower. Limit were only able to do this because they built up a massive lead. Therefore the bug method encountered directly influenced Limits time. Therefore that time cannot stand.

    If you honestly believe the bug Method encountered made absolutely zero impact on Limits time then you would be correct. However you would be a fool to think it had no bearing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie2017 View Post
    Hi all, after seeing MDI this past week it seems many people are appalled by how MDI is being handled by Blizzard. We have created a petition for them to make MDI more fair and to look into details more instead of just making bad decisions.

    If you agree with how poorly Blizzard has been handling MDI, please feel free to sign! Use whichever name you like, and a valid e-mail is NOT required. Thanks!


    https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/...emake-fairness
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dredglol View Post
    teams have a 6th player that tells you if you need to speed up / slow down, how would that work with your suggestion?
    Make the second team not getting info on how the 1st team finished. They would not know their time and only race against themselves.
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  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Battlebeard View Post
    Make the second team not getting info on how the 1st team finished. They would not know their time and only race against themselves.
    Yea because its totally not being streamed.

  9. #29
    There should be fairness no matter the type of tournament.

  10. #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Battlebeard View Post
    Make the second team not getting info on how the 1st team finished. They would not know their time and only race against themselves.
    then it's not a race. we would only be watching 1 team at a time. it doubles the length of mdi. expensive stuff. casters etc have to be paid

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie2017 View Post
    Hi all, after seeing MDI this past week it seems many people are appalled by how MDI is being handled by Blizzard. We have created a petition for them to make MDI more fair and to look into details more instead of just making bad decisions.

    If you agree with how poorly Blizzard has been handling MDI, please feel free to sign! Use whichever name you like, and a valid e-mail is NOT required. Thanks!


    https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/...emake-fairness
    I find this way too retarded. What about Method EU's run where one player had dropped for like 6 min and couldn't reconnect yet they almost beat the other team? How is that fair? We can't change has already happened and what blizzard did for fairness. They can only try to improve and change the future events.

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