Crazy gunman shoots up Trump resort

[Kapadons]

I'm against guns, but when they're pointed at Trump... I'm all for them.

But these weren’t pointed at trump. So you were against this ?

[Enthusiastic Steward]

It is in fact far right wing. Mussolini said as much, and he invented it:


http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffma.../mussolini.htm

And you know, fascism began as an anti-Communist reactionary movement and has historically been right wing.

Mussolini stated that fascism's position on the political spectrum was not a serious issue for fascists: "Fascism, sitting on the right, could also have sat on the mountain of the center ... These words in any case do not have a fixed and unchanged meaning: they do have a variable subject to location, time and spirit. We don't give a damn about these empty terminologies and we despise those who are terrorized by these words"

Or the dictionary definition:

a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

which doesn't state a left-right leaning either way.

Keep in mind that in common usage 'fascist' and 'authoritarian' are often used interchangeably, though true capital-F Fascism has certain very specific connotations under the authoritarian umbrella. This is why I used both in my statement, and I'll stand by that, as authoritarianism is not exclusive to left or right.

[Mormolyce]

Or the dictionary definition:

which doesn't state a left-right leaning either way.

Keep in mind that in common usage 'fascist' and 'authoritarian' are often used interchangeably, though true capital-F Fascism has certain very specific connotations under the authoritarian umbrella. This is why I used both in my statement, and I'll stand by that, as authoritarianism is not exclusive to left or right.

Fascism is a specific movement so if you want to make that point you really need to just stick to "authoritarian".

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So has Word Policing, Authoritarianism, Divisiveness and Anti-Free speech among others. Yet all things the left have begun to adopt.

Or so the fascist websites tell you.

[Super Kami Dende]

Or so the fascist websites tell you.

Wat. What even is that supposed to mean?

[enragedgorilla]

We don't need any more crazies... this is why trump needs to be removed from office.

Because we didn't have crazies before this?
Come on now.

[Moralgy]

I'm against guns, but when they're pointed at Trump... I'm all for them.

How about we notttttttttttttttttt

[Themius]

Because we didn't have crazies before this?
Come on now.

need more those are the key words.

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How about we notttttttttttttttttt

Right, because we need them also to be pointed at a few more people so that we get the proper people in.

I'm not sure whether I'd want trump removed just because we get stuck with pence.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

Fascism is a specific movement so if you want to make that point you really need to just stick to "authoritarian".

I was more pointing out the difference between fascism (as the term is commonly used) and Fascism (proper usage as a political belief structure).

I was also pointing out that true Fascism isn't inherently right or left. Mussolini himself (whom you brought up and stated, incorrectly, as the 'inventor' of Fascism) said the position on the spectrum is irrelevant to the ideology. National Socialism, which itself falls under the Fascist umbrella as Fascism falls under the Authoritarian one, is a hybrid mix of left and right ideas. Fascism is usually right-wing, but does not have to be, and certain aspects fall outside the standard political spectrum as is used/understood today.

Sidebar: Mussolini was the first Fascist leader and coined the term, but the ideology did not originate with him, so he did not 'invent' Fascism.

[Mormolyce]

I was more pointing out the difference between fascism (as the term is commonly used) and Fascism (proper usage as a political belief structure).

I was also pointing out that true Fascism isn't inherently right or left. Mussolini himself (whom you brought up and stated, incorrectly, as the 'inventor' of Fascism) said the position on the spectrum is irrelevant to the ideology. National Socialism, which itself falls under the Fascist umbrella as Fascism falls under the Authoritarian one, is a hybrid mix of left and right ideas. Fascism is usually right-wing, but does not have to be, and certain aspects fall outside the standard political spectrum as is used/understood today.

Sidebar: Mussolini was the first Fascist leader and coined the term, but the ideology did not originate with him, so he did not 'invent' Fascism.

You don't have a problem with conflating authoritarianism with fascism but want to split hairs over who exactly "invented" fascism?

The Nazis were far right wing. Just like Mussolini's movement they began life as a violent reactionary movement opposed to Communists.

[Deadite]

Pointed at anything Trump related, including his supporters.

You sound like you are one bad day away from being that guy.

[Cizr]

We don't need any more crazies... this is why trump needs to be removed from office.

Shoo shoo fascist. You need to learn to respect democracy.

[Coolthulhu]

This is what happens when your average red fascist loses it.

[Fonduset]

If only the teachers had guns

[chubbybunny]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/18...sentiment.html


They should have shot him on sight because we do not need anymore crazies in this world!

Unfortunately they couldn't as trump wasn't there....

Oh wait you're on about the shooter....

[therealbowser]

But...but...this doesn't fit my NRA lovin', redneck, pro Trump narrative!

Only in America do you have people who think killing their own president is justified. The crazy acting crazy is one thing, people defending the guy like he's in the right... that's something else entirely.

I don't like Trump, but I'm not going to get crazy about it. It's impressive how violent Trump is making leftists.

[Themius]

Shoo shoo fascist. You need to learn to respect democracy.

Wait but Trump doesn't? The guy who is trying to tear down democracy? You right wingers sure love facism.

[Hobb]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/18...sentiment.html


They should have shot him on sight because we do not need anymore crazies in this world!

If the police did that then Trump wouldn't have any followers left.

Beside while it is wrong, shooting at a sign is very minor compared to Trump's fanbase running over people with their cars.

[Coolthulhu]

You mean the outspoken liberal we are discussing from the OP? You know. The liberal who shot a place up.

The red fascist, yes.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

You don't have a problem with conflating authoritarianism with fascism

I'm not conflating. I stated right up front that the common usage was for them to be interchangeable, then pointed out the issues with that (Fascism is Authoritarian, not all Authoritarians are Fascists).

but want to split hairs over who exactly "invented" fascism?

Yes I do.

The Nazis were far right wing. Just like Mussolini's movement they began life as a violent reactionary movement opposed to Communists.

The Nazis incorporated aspects of both right and left while condemning and attacking both. Hitler himself stated several times, including in Mein Kampf, that National Socialism favored neither the right nor the left.

[Castration]

Oh the millenials have a strong presence in this thread.