So, uh... anyone defending Sylvanas anymore? (SPOILERS!!!)

[Aeula]

Case in point. "Sylvanas made the right call in murdering her own people for trying to share ideas she disagreed with." In fact, I have to ask... are you seriously posting this, or is this satire?

Ideas that were a threat to her kingdom and the Horde, not that she simply 'disagreed' with. Allowing the desertion would have resulted in a bloody civil war.

[Nurasu]

The Forsaken and Sylvannas as primary plot devices fail before they even begin. They shouldn't have any motivations to continue on, to profligate, or "secure a future". They should die out over time. The "solution" Sylvannas seeks for the Forsaken is utter bullshit that should be shunned by the rest of the Horde; but of course the Horde is just shoehorned in for the ride because the Forsaken are members. Their entire motif in Vanilla was their miserable existence, their misery and suffering, the underdogs scraping by so they weren't tortured - why they chose to shift it 180 degrees is beyond me, and it's the reason I don't think they'll ever be able to build a compelling story using Sylvannas going forward.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

actually that's the worst. what a fucking hypocrite character. Attacks the horde in stormheim, Gets revenge on sylvanas by destroying a potential future change for the forsaken. But let me pitty them now in the book. FFS no shit storytelling.

How dare they make Gen pitiable after he did the evil thing of stoping enslavment!

[therealstegblob]

Does she really have a claim, though? She's older than Arthas, yet she was not next in line for the throne? We don't know how royal ascension works in Lordaeron.

We do, though. It was patriarchal, which meant Arthas was to be the next king. Calia was going to be wedded off to a random lord, which ended up being Deathwing in disguise (though the marriage never ended up happening, would have been kind of interesting if it did but Cataclysm turned Deathwing from an insane but conniving schemer into a ME INSANE KILL BURN DEATH guy).

[Arrashi]

Sadly there will always be fans who will defend their wanking idol no matter what evil she does. That's just how some people are, sadly!

And there will always be people lacking any argument other than:

wanking idol

Makes you wonder if they are judging others based on personal preferences.

[Verdugo]

How dare they make Gen pitiable after he did the evil thing of stoping enslavment!

When did Genn stop Odyn. Missed that part.

[ausoin]

Ideas that were a threat to her kingdom and the Horde, not that she simply 'disagreed' with. Allowing the desertion would have resulted in a bloody civil war.

Conviently forgets the slaughter of civilians who didn't desert

[Arrashi]

How dare they make Gen pitiable after he did the evil thing of stoping enslavment!

But he never knew about enslavement nor did he cared about it. He only cared about personal revenge.

But i guess he is meant to be perfect anduins mentor, so of course he must be likeable.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

yet again you consistently fail at making comparisons. They are free to leave as long as they aren't supporting an enemy of the Forsaken. That makes them a traitor, and traitors are often killed.

Are they free to not leave? Because the ones who were coming back were mowed down as well.

[Soeroah]

Because this entire book reeks of her personal style.

Well, yeah, she wrote it.

But she didn't kick in the door of the developer's office and say how BfA's story was going to go. The whole team discussed and made these choices potentially before she was ever hired. It's unfair to criticise her for the direction the story is taking this soon after she was hired, if ever, no matter how much you might dislike it or her.

Blizzard have said multiple times now they're plotting the basis of expansions two in advance, which means, random changes aside, they already knew what would happen while Sylvanas was Warchief when WoD came out.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

But he never knew about enslavement nor did he cared about it. He only cared about personal revenge.

But i guess he is meant to be perfect anduins mentor, so of course he must be likeable.

I mean why he knew doesn’t really matter he wanted revanage he got it while doing a moraliy good thing.

[Verdugo]

Are they free to not leave? Because the ones who were coming back were mowed down as well.

Maybe they were already corrupted by Human Potential and charged against the loyalists.

[Aeula]

Conviently forgets the slaughter of civilians who didn't desert

Civilians returning out of fear. Civilians who would spread word of the Menethil line surviving and who would, knowingly or not, risk starting an insurrection. Better to kill them and blame it on the Alliance than let them come back with dangerous information.

[Arrashi]

I mean why he knew doesn’t really matter he wanted revanage he got it while doing a moraliy good thing.

But the entire point is that it wasn't morally good thing.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Are they free to not leave? Because the ones who were coming back were mowed down as well.

only because in Sylvanas's eyes they were only coming back because they were caught in the act, not because they were actually wanting to. Doesn't make it right but she wasn't killing them because they were simply leading, they were joining the enemy.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

When did Genn stop Odyn. Missed that part.

How is odyn relevant?

[Verdugo]

How is odyn relevant?

You said that Genn stoped enslavement, but Valkyr are still enslaved.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

only because in Sylvanas's eyes they were only coming back because they were caught in the act, not because they were actually wanting to. Doesn't make it right but she wasn't killing them because they were simply leading, they were joining the enemy.

The forsaken joining the allaince geting killed is fine fuck thoses guys. The ones who were coming back is the problem, no matter what crazy person reason she has killing your own civs so they can’t spread ideas is evil.

[ausoin]

Civilians returning out of fear. Civilians who would spread word of the Menethil line surviving and who would, knowingly or not, risk starting an insurrection. Better to kill them and blame it on the Alliance than let them come back with dangerous information.

Sylvanas had NO PROOF that they were afraid she was making assumptions.

Even Nathanos was concerned about her behavior.
If freaking Nathanos(the person who agrees with Sylvanas every single time) disagreed with Sylvanas on this you know she fucked up.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You said that Genn stoped enslavement, but Valkyr are still enslaved.

Again How is odyn relevent? Do you think slavery is only bad if it’s some one other then the forsaken doing it?