So, uh... anyone defending Sylvanas anymore? (SPOILERS!!!)

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Even that spineless fuck exiled the tauren that dared to retaliate against the perfect Alliance.

Poor Tauren had to move and live on another rock. That's almost as bad as getting murdered for returning home to your slavemaster.

[Blizzard Moneybot]

You are aware blizzard backs up every thing christen does right?

100% aware. What does any of that have to do with my statement? She took it into the shitter, against the direction probably intended by the previous writer(s). Just like Verdugo said

Because Golden is a dumb bitch that ignores previous characterisation.

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And she emerges even stronger. Go girl power !

Uhm, no. Sylvanas actions are entirely patriachal and toxic masculinity and have nothing to do with feminism. Feminism is about female empowerment, so if Sylvanas were a feminist she would share her power and privilege with Calia to empower her as a woman. Also Sylvanas allowed Saurfang to lead the Orcs initially, which is also un-feminist because if Sylvanas were a feminist she would challenge the gender imbalance in the Horde and would establish more female, Orc of Color and LGBTIQ+ representation in the Horde. We have not a single Orc of Color or LGBTIQ+ person in leadership positions in the Horde, so Sylvanas can't be a feminist.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

They really dont care about the story, they just had an idea, then Golden went there, threw it all away and they were like "I guess she is the professional.". And of course we will never hear about this because everything is perfect in Holly-I mean Blizzland.

I don’t for a second think they would let any writer throw out there plan. I’d say they proabbly gave her cliff notes of things that have to happen then let her fill in the rest.

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100% aware. What does any of that have to do with my statement? She took it into the shitter, against the direction probably intended by the previous writer(s). Just like Verdugo said

I highly doudt any writer other then metzen ever had that much power.

[Shibito]

Lovely how triggered and angry you alliance fanboys are over sylvanas its so funny

[Verdugo]

Uhm, no. Sylvanas actions are entirely patriachal and toxic masculinity and have nothing to do with feminism. Feminism is about female empowerment, so if Sylvanas were a feminist she would share her power and privilege with Calia to empower her as a woman. Also Sylvanas allowed Saurfang to lead the Orcs initially, which is also un-feminist because if Sylvanas were a feminist she would challenge the gender imbalance in the Horde and would establish more female, Orc of Color and LGBTIQ+ representation in the Horde. We have not a single Orc of Color or LGBTIQ+ person in leadership positions in the Horde, so Sylvanas can't be a feminist.

During the Siege of Undercity, she clearly showed him who is the woman in charge and all he could manage was to sulk in impotence behind bars.

[Arrashi]

Uhm, no. Sylvanas actions are entirely patriachal and toxic masculinity and have nothing to do with feminism. Feminism is about female empowerment, so if Sylvanas were a feminist she would share her power and privilege with Calia to empower her as a woman. Also Sylvanas allowed Saurfang to lead the Orcs initially, which is also un-feminist because if Sylvanas were a feminist she would challenge the gender imbalance in the Horde and would establish more female, Orc of Color and LGBTIQ+ representation in the Horde. We have not a single Orc of Color or LGBTIQ+ person in leadership positions in the Horde, so Sylvanas can't be a feminist.

This post is so dumb even i don't have witty comeback to it.

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As I already said god knows how many times. I think killing everyone was too extreme, but from Sylvanas' pov, all of them were seceding, and those running were back were still acting in fear of being found out.

And she spent all of 2 seconds thinking about the situation before arriving at the only conclusion.

point at temple meme.
"If there are no more Forsaken they can't betray me"

[Blizzard Moneybot]

Uhm, no. Sylvanas actions are entirely patriachal and toxic masculinity and have nothing to do with feminism. Feminism is about female empowerment, so if Sylvanas were a feminist she would share her power and privilege with Calia to empower her as a woman. Also Sylvanas allowed Saurfang to lead the Orcs initially, which is also un-feminist because if Sylvanas were a feminist she would challenge the gender imbalance in the Horde and would establish more female, Orc of Color and LGBTIQ+ representation in the Horde. We have not a single Orc of Color or LGBTIQ+ person in leadership positions in the Horde, so Sylvanas can't be a feminist.

Feminism is about political orthodoxy and obedience. Empowerment comes through freedom and earning your place in the meritocracy. This isn't the place for a political discussion though. Golden is a rabid feminist and her crap writing shows. Feminists don't like women who are empowered through their own hard work and merit. Those women are 'making patriarchy work for them'. You know who does did that in the story? Night Elves. Until HUMAN POTENTIAL of the alliance knocked them down several notches.

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This post is so dumb even i don't have witty comeback to it.

Yeah, reported for abusive behavior.

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Feminism is about political orthodoxy and obedience. Empowerment comes through freedom and earning your place in the meritocracy. This isn't the place for a political discussion though. Golden is a rabid feminist and her crap writing shows. Feminists don't like women who are empowered through their own hard work and merit. Those women are 'making patriarchy work for them'. You know who does did that in the story? Night Elves.

Lol, sorry but you make yourself sound like a total MRA.

[Arrashi]

Yeah, reported for abusive behavior.

Yeah, it doesn't work like this.

[Halyon]

There's nothing to defend about shit writing. Started with Jaina, continued with Sylvanas and now Calia. What a shitshow.

I have a suspicion if 'bad writing' = 'writing I don't like'.

[Blizzard Moneybot]

Lol, sorry but you make yourself sound like a total MRA.

throw around labels if it makes you feel better? That isn't refuting anything I stated anyway

[Sorshen]

I have a suspicion if 'bad writing' = 'writing I don't like'.

I have a suspicion you don't read much.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Uhm, no. Sylvanas actions are entirely patriachal and toxic masculinity and have nothing to do with feminism. Feminism is about female empowerment, so if Sylvanas were a feminist she would share her power and privilege with Calia to empower her as a woman. Also Sylvanas allowed Saurfang to lead the Orcs initially, which is also un-feminist because if Sylvanas were a feminist she would challenge the gender imbalance in the Horde and would establish more female, Orc of Color and LGBTIQ+ representation in the Horde. We have not a single Orc of Color or LGBTIQ+ person in leadership positions in the Horde, so Sylvanas can't be a feminist.

but Sylvanas absorbed the power of another woman in power, doesn't the end result mean that the actual amount of female empowerment has gone up?

[Ealyssa]

yea but.. sylvans is not evil. Blizzard said so. There are many sides to the story... bad appels on both sides... This story is more nuances... they said so

IF they really mean it. She'll just be corrupted by Sargeras/Azerite/Old Gods/Void Gods/Lich King, take you poison.

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throw around labels if it makes you feel better? That isn't refuting anything I stated anyway

Please stop mansplaining.

Fact is, Sylvanas is representative of women who ally themselves with patriachy to put other women down. This is why she is clearly the villain in the story.

[Arrashi]

I have a suspicion if 'bad writing' = 'writing I don't like'.

To be fair, golden really didn't show much good in her last two big warcraft novels. The only "good" thing she did was horde post-legion cinematic which she directed.

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but Sylvanas absorbed the power of another woman in power, doesn't the end result mean that the actual amount of female empowerment has gone up?

Is she womanborn from skyrim ?

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but Sylvanas absorbed the power of another woman in power, doesn't the end result mean that the actual amount of female empowerment has gone up?

Sylvanas abused Calia and forced her into a situation where she was depowered and needed the help of a patriachal authority figure, which is basically the literal definition of patriachy.

[Halyon]

I have a suspicion you don't read much.

Uhuh...cute.