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  1. #161
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    Anger comes from ignorance.
    Its father is fear and its mother is isolation.

    Disregard of dialectics to reach consensus always means rising tensions until you hit a point of a no return and eventually break into open conflict. Words carry meanings. Don't take language and the ability to understand each other for granted. Love and forgive all the way and you'll persuade people to at-least hear you out instead of cursing each other ad nausea.
    If you knew the candle was fire then the meal was cooked a long time ago.

  2. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    I can flip it around, though. Trump is President because of ignorance and intolerance. He didn't create that. He got elected because of it.

    His presence, however, fans the flames that already existed.

    Then, if we go a layer deeper, people feel under attack when their views are called out. No matter how despicable the views. Flames further fanned.

    Then they lash back, and people who feel their views are correct and justified take defensive measures.

    Then all of a sudden punching a nazi is old news, and SJWs are the the enemy (????)
    Not even going to touch this can of worms, but I am at least going to cover the last comment. You know damn well the context behind these things. Attacking someone violently, regardless of their views is a barbaric reaction that isn't acceptable in a cultured society. And letting them speak is an act of being able to speak freely; you can't just say "I dislike your opinion, so you aren't allowed to talk" or else that can be applied to whatever people feel might be offensive in any way, leading to a socialist society that is extremely government-controlled.

    Violence is never an appropriate response to non-violent acts. If the only way you know how to handle a situation is to attack people (and likely try to kill them), then you're in the wrong, no matter what your political or social view is. Period.

    This is almost as bad as the posts I saw earlier this week where people were defending the gunman that shot up Trumps resort or whatever and murdered people in cold blood. "Oh, it's too bad he didn't shoot Trump." What the fuck? I get hating Trump and wanting him impeached (I mean I don't like him either), but if you literally want the leader of your country to get murdered, why the fuck are you still here?

  3. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by therealbowser View Post
    You know damn well the context behind these things. Attacking someone violently, regardless of their views is a barbaric reaction that isn't acceptable in a cultured society.
    Creating an environment of hatred against certain groups is violence and your only valid argument would be the proportionality of the response.

    I had a centipede in my basement the other day. My perfect response was this: kill it before it finds my bed.

    Let's all ride the Gish gallop.

  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    Creating an environment of hatred against certain groups is violence and your only valid argument would be the proportionality of the response.

    I had a centipede in my basement the other day. My perfect response was this: kill it before it finds my bed.
    Centipedes are a creature incapable of reason or logic. Since you can't ask the centipede to leave, that's the right decision.

    I'll add that when I find spiders (brown recluse aside, they can burn in hell), I tend to put them outside rather than kill them because they keep the insect population down. But hey, I guess that makes me open minded in a sense.

    If physical violence is the only way you can respond to something that isn't physically violent, then are you really any better than they are? Can you actually argue this and believe it? What happens when people do this, is they create victims, and when you create victims, you create sympathizers. Is that what you want to happen? Because you're promoting their ignorant cause more than they ever could.
    Last edited by therealbowser; 2018-05-21 at 04:44 AM.

  5. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by therealbowser View Post
    Centipedes are a creature incapable of reason or logic. Since you can't ask the centipede to leave, that's the right decision.

    I'll add that when I find spiders (brown recluse aside, they can burn in hell), I tend to put them outside rather than kill them because they keep the insect population down. But hey, I guess that makes me open minded in a sense.
    So, we now have a proportionality issue and a perception issue. Forked.

    Let's all ride the Gish gallop.

  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by therealbowser View Post
    Not even going to touch this can of worms, but I am at least going to cover the last comment. You know damn well the context behind these things. Attacking someone violently, regardless of their views is a barbaric reaction that isn't acceptable in a cultured society. And letting them speak is an act of being able to speak freely; you can't just say "I dislike your opinion, so you aren't allowed to talk" or else that can be applied to whatever people feel might be offensive in any way, leading to a socialist society that is extremely government-controlled.

    Violence is never an appropriate response to non-violent acts. If the only way you know how to handle a situation is to attack people (and likely try to kill them), then you're in the wrong, no matter what your political or social view is. Period.

    This is almost as bad as the posts I saw earlier this week where people were defending the gunman that shot up Trumps resort or whatever and murdered people in cold blood. "Oh, it's too bad he didn't shoot Trump." What the fuck? I get hating Trump and wanting him impeached (I mean I don't like him either), but if you literally want the leader of your country to get murdered, why the fuck are you still here?
    Great post.

    I wish people would understand this instead of acting like a pack of rabid dogs.
    Disarm now correctly removes the targets’ arms.

  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    So, we now have a proportionality issue and a perception issue. Forked.
    Sounds like you don't want to discuss this, and that is fine by me.

  8. #168
    The reason is because life is too easy and we're still adjusting from our previous evolutionary behavior of having to fight for everything. There's a void and we fill it with made up aggression. People take everything for granted and that allows them to think everything is horrible and they're victims/someone else is a victim and then you have them spewing outrage and hyperbole. We need conflict so we make it up.

  9. #169
    I'd say anger has increased in recent times due to the vast majority of people never really experiencing actual trials and calling whatever minor thing they face their struggle....

    aint none of these people tried or tested and they acting like they been through some shit because someone looked at them funny or didn't agree with them. so they start shit where nothing was to be found and act like they're justified.

  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by therealbowser View Post
    Sounds like you don't want to discuss this, and that is fine by me.
    I use short, blunt statements.

    Proportionality issue: how much self-defense can you use against a hostile environment.

    Perception issue: I'm sure you understood, but turning a group of people into my centipede is what we're talking about. Even that centipede has the same goals that I have: tell Death, "not today."

    Just because I don't make elaborate posts doesn't mean you should take that as dismissal.

    Let's all ride the Gish gallop.

  11. #171
    Decades of increasing hours and productivity for stagnated wages, and the rich wanting people to blame things other than their insane greed.

  12. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    I use short, blunt statements.

    Proportionality issue: how much self-defense can you use against a hostile environment.

    Perception issue: I'm sure you understood, but turning a group of people into my centipede is what we're talking about. Even that centipede has the same goals that I have: tell Death, "not today."

    Just because I don't make elaborate posts doesn't mean you should take that as dismissal.
    I take it as dismissal once you choose to avoid my counter points (most of which was a bit satirical) because I didn't take your very odd analogy seriously.

    See? I can make short, blunt posts, too.

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    It's basically every person who isn't a rich white man feeling justifiably resentful and disempowered at their lot in life. Not everyone directs their anger to the right place but it all comes back to Reaganomics basically screwing over everybody.

    Cops on low wages with bad training take out their small-man complex on minorities to get a little power trip.

    Minorities resent and distrust authority because they're struggling to pay the heating bill and they can't even walk down the street without a cop potentially threatening their life because they're not trained on how to de-escalate.

    White low-income families get angry and slap on a MAGA hat when all their low-skill jobs go away because the government won't fund retraining programs and all the local news outlets are owned by Trump's buddies who tell them to be afraid of brown people.

    New Yorkers are just busy. Just get out of their way.
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  14. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by therealbowser View Post
    I take it as dismissal once you choose to avoid my counter points (most of which was a bit satirical) because I didn't take your very odd analogy seriously.

    See? I can make short, blunt posts, too.
    Did you notice that we're both guilty of the premise of this thread?


    Let's all ride the Gish gallop.

  15. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    Did you notice that we're both guilty of the premise of this thread?

    Well played, friend, well played! I concede to this.

    In seriousness, I like your attitude; you're too lighthearted for a thread like this. Kudos to you!

  16. #176
    I'd argue that its not getting more angry. Things have been simmering down. I'm in Seattle where you'd think dissatisfaction would be at its highest - yet events like May Day occur when the left has a chance to lash out attendance is lower than ever. I think we perceive tensions as rising because of the media's dissatisfaction and desire to twist the narrative in a negative light as a result.

  17. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by therealbowser View Post
    Well played, friend, well played! I concede to this.

    In seriousness, I like your attitude; you're too lighthearted for a thread like this. Kudos to you!
    Strange words directed at a person like me.

    I guess if you're not being sarcastic again, I am an idealist. So bring the conversation around. Failure of idealism is part of my anger. And that's not a loss of faith in my ideals, it's a loss of faith in people around me.

    The reason I say "strange words" is because in my universe, where I live and own, I am Jesus. That's how it has to work, no matter how much I don't like it.'

    Edit: coincidence: Personal Jesus just came up on my playlist.
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    Let's all ride the Gish gallop.

  18. #178
    Quote Originally Posted by CmdrShep2154 View Post
    It seems like after the election hatred and anger has increased. What has changed in our society to allow such a thing to happen? What should we do to put America on the path to happiness?
    they havent invided another country in past 2 years under pretense of bringing freedom in form of bullets and bombs landing on hospitals so ofc that anger intensifies

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    I think people in the USA have a lot to be angry about.

    Thanks to the internet, people in the USA can see and compare how far they've gotten behind on the rest of the world.

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    Probably because people are now worse off in all things compared to the generations before them? Usually, the future is expected to be better and brighter, but now many feel cheated of that. Work more, earn less, have less security in your wellbeing than your parents or grandparents, this sucks.

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