PS4 Is Entering The End Of Its Lifecycle, Sony Says

[Jtbrig7390]

If Sony is smart, and if the console really isn't coming until 2020, they will be working with AMD to equip it with their Zen2 architecture, which should already be on the market by 2019. The console manufactures will be digging themselves into another hole if they yet again release a new console using hardware that is several years old. By 2020, the original Zen architecture will be 3 years old. We already have Zen+ on the market. With Zen2 coming in 2019, we will likely be on Zen2+ by 2020. The best thing they could do would be to use a custom SoC based on a Zen2 APU for their new consoles at that point. They won't be the absolute newest hardware, meaning they won't be the most expensive, but they won't be several years old either.

I don't disagree at all and it will be a massive performance boost compared to current systems as well.

DF goes into details as well about the same thing.

[Zephyr Storm]

Seeing people talk about how MS would be burning people who bought the One X by releasing the next Xbox at the same time as the PS5, while also ignoring the fact that Sony would basically be doing the exact same thing with people who bought the Pro considering it came out only about a year earlier. Acting like that year makes a huge difference. And acting like the people who bought the Pro and One X aren’t the people who would be willing to jump on the next upgrade as soon as it’s available regardless of when it comes (like people who buy every new graphics card as soon as it becomes available).

Y’all been drinking the Sony koolaid a little harder today than usual, huh?

[Jtbrig7390]

Y’all been drinking the Sony koolaid a little harder today than usual, huh?

You would have a point if the fallowing wasn't true.

1) The Pro cost less.
2) The Pro has been out longer.
3) The X is more powerful.

The X was powerful enough (compared to the base mode) it literally could be considered a next gen system. There is a big difference in a $400 system being replaced in 4 years compared to a $500 system being replaced in 3 years. (If there was a 2020 release)

But don't let those little details keep ya from making smart comments or anything.

[Zephyr Storm]

You would have a point if the fallowing wasn't true.

1) The Pro cost less.
2) The Pro has been out longer.
3) The X is more powerful.

The X was powerful enough (compared to the base mode) it literally could be considered a next gen system. There is a big difference in a $400 system being replaced in 4 years compared to a $500 system being replaced in 3 years. (If there was a 2020 release)

But don't let those little details keep ya from making smart comments or anything.

I already accounted for that by saying the people buying these consoles out of the gate are the same people who would do this regardless. They’re looking for the best, most powerful console to play on. 3 vs 4 years, $400 vs $500.....this shit doesn’t matter to the early adopters. And MS would be better served to release their next console at the same time as Sony to remain relevant and competitive, regardless of how small of a subset of One X owners felt about it.

I’ll be buying the next gen console release regardless, and I bought a One X at launch. Why? Because I’m a big boy with a job and can afford to do this.

Giving Sony a free pass on this shit simply because they rushed a half-baked, weaker, cheaper 4K console out of the door a year earlier isn’t really helping your cause here.

[Jtbrig7390]

Giving Sony a free pass on this shit simply because they rushed a half-baked, weaker, cheaper 4K console out of the door a year earlier isn’t really helping your cause here.

Funny you say this when I outright said.

I doubt they will but I really hope they don't try to push PS5 out at the end of next year/early 2020. That would be way too soon seeing how they released PS4 Pro just a bit over a year ago. If PS5 comes any early'er then the end of 2020 ill personally not buy a mid-gen refresh from Sony again.

Isn't like I said that in the OP or anything.....

But ya at lease my half-baked, rushed,weaker,cheaper 4K console has actual games to play on it. Oh wait you got State of Decay 2 to play I forgot my bad.

[apelsinjuice]

VR is still years away to be affordable and good enough for the mainstream casual gamers

[NuLogic]

The sooner they can move to next gen the better. Low-spec consoles are holding back the industry.

The majority of people having shitty computers or playing mobile is what holds the industy back. lol, wow, dota 2, csgo, pubg, fortnite are the big money makers on pc right now and none of them are hard to run. If the majority of the world owned consoles the quality would go up.

[Eleccybubb]

To be fair. Xbox 360 lasted 8 years before Xbox One came out.

And PS3 lasted 6.

Just seems consoles are getting closer to end of life cycles or time between models these days.

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Funny you say this when I outright said.


Isn't like I said that in the OP or anything.....

But ya at lease my half-baked, rushed,weaker,cheaper 4K console has actual games to play on it. Oh wait you got State of Decay 2 to play I forgot my bad.

To be fair XB1 has some good exclusives.

Forza.
Gears of War.
Halo.
Quantum Break.
Halo 5.
Super Lucky's Tale.
Sunset Overdrive.

Could probably list more but those for me were decent XB1 games.

[stellvia]

With them mentioning the 2021 numbers, I would assume that is the likely year you will see a PS5. Don't expect to see another handheld from them ever again, however. If we're lucky we'd see a Dualshock designed for smartphones and release titles meant for mobile. Only issue is I don't know if even that sort of backing would be enough to get people to spend reasonable MSRPs on mobile titles vs. freemium cashgrab garbage that floods mobile still.

[Jtbrig7390]

To be fair XB1 has some good exclusives.

Forza.
Gears of War.
Halo.
Quantum Break.
Halo 5.
Super Lucky's Tale.
Sunset Overdrive.

Could probably list more but those for me were decent XB1 games.

The problem with that list was the fact a lot of those was decent at best and bad at worse. Super Lucky's Tale was a meh platformer, Halo (I assume u mean MCC since u got H5 on there) is still to this day a massive broken mess. Sunset Over Drive was great (IMO) and Quantum Break was so barely average.

You have a list of 7 games, 4 of them is part of the big 3 Microsoft has and two of them (If u mean gears of war ultimate and not gears 4) is a remaster. I'm not against remasters but the majority of games Microsoft release can't be Gears,Halo,Forza and that's it. State of Decay should have been better, Crackdown should have been out already, Ryse was a tech demo that was meh at best but also a broken mess.

I won't disagree Microsoft has had some good exclusives (Console exclusive) releases. But they are few and far between and are mostly Gears,Froze,Halo.

[Eleccybubb]

The problem with that list was the fact a lot of those was decent at best and bad at worse. Super Lucky's Tale was a meh platformer, Halo (I assume u mean MCC since u got H5 on there) is still to this day a massive broken mess. Sunset Over Drive was great (IMO) and Quantum Break was so barely average.

You have a list of 7 games, 4 of them is part of the big 3 Microsoft has and two of them (If u mean gears of war ultimate and not gears 4) is a remaster. I'm not against remasters but the majority of games Microsoft release can't be Gears,Halo,Forza and that's it. State of Decay should have been better, Crackdown should have been out already, Ryse was a tech demo that was meh at best but also a broken mess.

I won't disagree Microsoft has had some good exclusives (Console exclusive) releases. But they are few and far between and are mostly Gears,Froze,Halo.

Eh I didn't mind Halo 5 personally.

It is a subjective list but I'd say those 7 are something I got my moneys worth for on Xbox.

[Jtbrig7390]

Eh I didn't mind Halo 5 personally.

It is a subjective list but I'd say those 7 are something I got my moneys worth for on Xbox.

Hey as long as you got your money's worth that's all that matters. My point being from the post you was replying to was someone (and u know who) can't come in and throw stones in a glass house.

[Eleccybubb]

Hey as long as you got your money's worth that's all that matters. My point being from the post you was replying to was someone (and u know who) can't come in and throw stones in a glass house.

Oh I know. But just wanted to throw it out there.

Decided in the end btw to just get an S model since it's cheaper.

But back on topic. As I said consoles never really lasted that long in the first place.

PS1 came out in 1994 and PS2 came out in 2000. This seems common that it's close to or starting to enter it's end of life cycle.

Although personally I don't care about it. I'll probably stick with PS4 until PS5 gets itself settled in with a good amount of games to choose from.

Hell if you wanna go far back the NES was 7 years old when the SNES came out.

[Video Games]

To be fair. Xbox 360 lasted 8 years before Xbox One came out.

And PS3 lasted 6.

Just seems consoles are getting closer to end of life cycles or time between models these days.

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To be fair XB1 has some good exclusives.

Forza.
Gears of War.
Halo.
Quantum Break.
Halo 5.
Super Lucky's Tale.
Sunset Overdrive.

Could probably list more but those for me were decent XB1 games.

Is super luckys tale good? Its cute but seems lame =/

Anyway, i just hope the ps5 is bc even if it costs an extra 50-75 buckaroos.

[Jtbrig7390]

Oh I know. But just wanted to throw it out there.

Decided in the end btw to just get an S model since it's cheaper.

But back on topic. As I said consoles never really lasted that long in the first place.

PS1 came out in 1994 and PS2 came out in 2000. This seems common that it's close to or starting to enter it's end of life cycle.

Although personally I don't care about it. I'll probably stick with PS4 until PS5 gets itself settled in with a good amount of games to choose from.

Hell if you wanna go far back the NES was 7 years old when the SNES came out.

True and its very likely the PS4 will last 10 years fully before losing support. I wouldn't be surprised if the first year or two of games works on both but they do a (This is what it looks like/runs like on PS5). Plus I am 100% sure it will be BC with PS4 games.

This has happen as well it seems.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...-likely-target

Sony is working with AMD's Ryzen CPU tech - and PS5 is the most likely target
PlayStation programmer improving Ryzen support on a key developer tool.

A principal programmer at Sony associated with the firm's Advanced Technology Group is working with AMD's Ryzen technology, improving the Zen core's micro-architecture support within the LLVM compiler stack - a key component of a tool used in the PlayStation 4 development environment. Of course, there is no PS4 product using the Ryzen processor, leading to speculation that this is related to a prospective next-gen PlayStation 5 console currently in development.

The evidence - unearthed by Linux-specialist site Phoronix - shows the highly experienced Sony programmer making a number of commits to the LLVM github over the last few weeks, all of them related to the "znver1" architecture, the codename for AMD's first generation Ryzen processors. On top of that, information on LinkedIn confirms the staffer's involvement in compiler development for PlayStation hardware. Game credits in Media Molecule's Tearaway and Evolution Studios' DriveClub confirm that the developer is also a part of Sony's Advanced Technology Group, which serves a number of roles in the Sony organisation.

Taken at face value, the fact that the platform holder is improving a key part of the developer toolchain for a new processor line that none of its products currently support is compelling evidence that Ryzen will indeed form a key component of a new console. It is certainly the most logical choice for a new CPU architecture for both Sony and Microsoft as pre-production work on next-gen hardware continues behind the scenes.

What's curious is that Sony's work is with the first generation version of the Ryzen core, while a 2019/2020 release date for a new console would fit in with the timeframe of AMD's second-gen iteration of the technology. However, the choice of technologies available to console manufacturers is based on what's available in a set time-frame and where the system architects want to spend time and effort in terms of bespoke customisations. And while the next-gen revision of Ryzen is likely to be available when new console hardware arrives, AMD's initial focus is on desktop and server versions of the technology - not the more integrated designs that end up in the APU products, which in the case of the Ryzen 3 2200G and Ryzen 5 2400G arrived almost a year after the initial Ryzen parts.

But is AMD really the best fit as Sony's technology partner for a new machines? While system architect Mark Cerny told us that Sony favours the traditional console generation model - opening the door to a clean break for a new machine with a dramatically different hardware make-up - the ability to combine Ryzen x86 CPU architecture and Radeon graphics into a single chip (and to license both key components from a single vendor) has great advantages in terms of economy, ease of development and cross-platform compatibility. With that in mind, it's no surprise that AMD is now the partner of choice for both Sony and Microsoft.

Is this our first confirmation of a crucial element of the PlayStation 5 spec? After all, the idea of Sony staff working on a compiler and improving hardware support for a technology it doesn't use in any of its current machines is indicative. However, although less likely, there may be other explanations. We checked in with R&D sources familiar with PlayStation development and the role of the Advanced Technology Group, and discovered that the team can work on various projects unrelated to hardware design. For example, they can work closely with game developers, or even with other companies associated with Sony but not necessarily working on PlayStation products. The news adds further weight to the assumption that PS5 will continue to use AMD technology, but isn't quite a smoking gun that confirms the spec.

At this stage, we're still very much in speculation territory - and indeed, Sony responded to this story to reconfirm that it doesn't comment on rumour and speculation. However, if you want to see our best guesses on the make-up of a next-gen console based on the building blocks that we know are available to the platform holder, check out our In Theory piece on when Sony could conceivably deliver a PlayStation 5 console capable of delivering a true generational leap.

So its becoming very likely its CPU will be Ryzen and that will be such a massive boost over what we have now.

[Eleccybubb]

Is super luckys tale good? Its cute but seems lame =/

Anyway, i just hope the ps5 is bc even if it costs an extra 50-75 buckaroos.

Got mixed/average reviews. I think it's just a subjective thing personally.

Definitely nothing spectacular but nowhere near Bubsy levels of shit.

[Jtbrig7390]

Anyway, i just hope the ps5 is bc even if it costs an extra 50-75 buckaroos.

If I was a betting man I would bet on PS5 being BC at lease with PS4 if not all Sony systems, It will be more then powerful enough to be BC with PS3.

[Lahis]

Then we wait and see if history repeats itself and the leader of previous generation gets rude awakening when they fall off from their high horse when the next launches (PS2 and XB360).

[Jtbrig7390]

Got mixed/average reviews. I think it's just a subjective thing personally.

Definitely nothing spectacular but nowhere near Bubsy levels of shit.

Not many games are near bubsy levels of shit LOL.

[Eleccybubb]

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That's great on the CPU end and all but isn't the GPU essentially equivalent to what is now an old as hell Radeon 7850?

That is what they need to work out first if so. Not saying put an actual card in them but just something more powerful.