The Forsaken might found out that they are allowed to be happy. We can't have that. Sylvi wants miserable wretches. Hating every living thing. Fighting for her until the end so she won't have to die ever. Killing every living thing so they can be raised as undead. Hmm. That sounds familiar doesn't it?
It doesn't matter who it legally belongs to. Sylvanas is on the throne at this moment. Calia went and hid for over a decade. That is considered renouncing. No one was attacked until she basically came out of the shadows and screamed "I AM YOUR QUEEN COME WITH ME!" . After that moment families mean squat you had a choice. Go back immediately or go with Calia and side with the pretende/usurper. It's simple make your choice. Taking forever to come back basically means you made that choice but don't want to face the consqequences. GG any ruler pre WW2 would have done the same. Doesn't matter if you have weapons in hand betrayal of a monarch is a death sentance.
Stop looking at this through 21st century eyes and realise this is basically 12th century with steampunk additions.
I'm really impressed with how many people still support Sylvanas despite everything she's done and is doing, the people at this forum are so sick beyond imagination
Infracted.
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It's not a question of will people support Sylvanas. Of course some players will. The question is: do we still believe that Blizzard is setting her up for anything beside a boss fight? Do we still believe that crap about nuances and no clear bad guy when Sylvi is walking around with red arrows saying "threat to everything" written all over them pointing at her?
Yeah, bc I wanna see how deep the rabbit hole goes.
And when she goes batshit, we'll kill her. It's how it always goes, so I'm not concerned at all.
If she actually gets better, I'll be legitimately surprised. Esp if she improves and the Alliance somehow gets darker. That'd be something I wouldn't expect from Blizzard.
Technically... the land was razed and conquered multiple times by parties unrelated to the Menethil family and has been occupied by the forsaken. Caelia turning up could lend credence to the idea of her continuing the bloodline.... but fact remains that it was conquered by the scourge... then the forsaken. As the land has been occupied by the forsaken, for years now, without any knowledge of surviving Menethil family members, you can techincally argue whatever you wish but you're ignoring the right of conquest and settlers rights.
Now some might wish to live under a surviving Menethil family member... others might remember the current situation was CAUSED by the Menethil family... either way it's not going to end well if any party decides to but heads.
Something something war crimes. Sylvanas isn't my favorite character or a warchief but I support her. What she's doing to the Alliance (You know, during FULL TIME CONFLICT) is not enough. If she wanted to she would drop plague from zeppelins onto Stormwind but she won't. Imo she's doing a good job protecting the Horde because nobody else will right now and there's nobody that is strong enough to do it. (Inb4 Saurfang, he's old and his loyalties are questionable.)
"Right of conquest" doesn't mean "the land is rightfully ours, now, and forever". It only means its yours "as long as you can defend it". And since the land originally belonged to the Menethil family, I imagine Calia is technically justified to want back what was once her family's land.
That is a very unfair statement, borderline malicious, even, since it heavily implies that the Menethil family was oppressing the people and forcing undeath upon their subjects. The current situation was caused by Arthas, yes, but his mind was long corrupted by the Frostmourne sword, by the Lich King.Now some might wish to live under a surviving Menethil family member... others might remember the current situation was CAUSED by the Menethil family... either way it's not going to end well if any party decides to but heads.
Stratholme begs to differ.
the crown prince, untainted by Frostmourne or the Lich King went on a merry killing spree putting every man woman and child to the sword leaving much death and destruction in his wake.
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later on you can blame the lich king and frostmourne... but it was still the actions of Arthas that brought frostmourne back to Lordaeron and through the King's torso as he succeeded the throne.
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also the forsaken seemed to have done a fine job defending their territory until BfA comes in and renders the land rather inhospitable to everyone BUT forsaken. But really... going to talk about Caelia's right when the nation itelf collapsed and it's people fled and went out of their way killing each other instead of bothering to discuss things.
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Again, your tone heavily implies that Arthas wanted to kill everyone in Stratholme just for the funsies, or because one of the kids in town looked at him funny. That was not the case. The entire town was infected by the Plague and would soon turn into undead abominations if not killed first.
How much can we say those were Arthas' actions alone, if by the time he grasped Frostmourne by the first time, the Lich King already started corrupting him? I mean, as much as he might have resented his father for heeding Uther's advice and recalled his troops in Northrend, I doubt he'd kill his own father for that.edit:
later on you can blame the lich king and frostmourne... but it was still the actions of Arthas that brought frostmourne back to Lordaeron and through the King's torso as he succeeded the throne.
Not sure I quite understand what you meant, there.edit2:
also the forsaken seemed to have done a fine job defending their territory until BfA comes in and renders the land rather inhospitable to everyone BUT forsaken. But really... going to talk about Caelia's right when the nation itelf collapsed and it's people fled and went out of their way killing each other instead of bothering to discuss things.
Thanks for a bit more clarification... i feel like your resolution to the situation is probably the most likely however i kinda wish it wasn't. I'm kinda tired of redemption arcs too xD. But maybe that's just me.
Personally i don't think she can be redeemed for what she's done since becoming Banshee Queen. There's just too much evil and malice. But we shall see i suppose.