Masked Men Open Fire On Crowd In France With AK-47s

[Deleted]

Putting people in prison doesn't constitute doing something.

How is that not doing something?

[fiestatastic]

No casualties? Sounds like gang hype, firing guns in the air while the scrapers donut. In which case, this happens almost every day in probably at least a dozen cities across the US.

[Elegiac]

How is that not doing something?

I suppose generating an indentured workforce to service for-profit prisons does constitute "doing something" in the strictest sense.

[Deleted]

There's interesting screeching I've heard about doing something about the poverty point out of the 5, from right wing. Just as one example out of them. Can you guess what kind of screeching it has been on raising minimum wage, and any other social programs that may help with poverty?

I believe I've made my point without having to repeat all the decades of screeching.

Well, as I said, we do some of it, but not the same extend. I mean, sure it is the right wing wet dream to get rid of all of that, but it is simply way too unrealistic and the backlash of even attempting would make us unelectable for years.

[ro9ue]

I'm not sure why the media isn't reporting on this. Is this fake news?

[Deleted]

I suppose generating an indentured workforce to service for-profit prisons does constitute "doing something" in the strictest sense.

What else would you propose one does with criminals? Letting them roam around isn't exactly in societies best interest either.

[Elegiac]

What else would you propose one does with criminals? Letting them roam around isn't exactly in societies best interest either.

Rehabilitation, maybe?

Something other than creating a slave workforce.

[Azadina]

Well, as I said, we do some of it, but not the same extend. I mean, sure it is the right wing wet dream to get rid of all of that, but it is simply way too unrealistic and the backlash of even attempting would make us unelectable for years.

Wet dream to get rid of what?

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...isabled-People

Oh the poor people and other untermensch by means of mass murder?

[Afrospinach]

Why the fuck did that get turned into a gun controll issue?

Because occasionally, using the ENTIRE PLANET AS A REFERENCE, a gun crime occurs in a country with gun control, therefore gun control doesn't work.

Validated.

So 3 cars of attackers with full auto assault-rifles and no one died?`how shit can you be at shooting?

We are just lucky they have never played counter strike or call of duty etc.

[Deleted]

Wet dream to get rid of what?

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...isabled-People

Oh the poor people and other untermensch by means of mass murder?

Oh come on, that was one guy. Heck read that thread because I was suspicious of them not even distancing from the supposed hacked comments that were made.

[Endus]

It's really really not. America is way way way to far down the road to think banning guns will do anything to stop those who want to shoot people from doing it. You ha e not only the issue of there already being more guns than citizens in the country alot of which will be hidden or dumped into the black market but they also have a boarder with a country rife with cartels. America can't even stop people and drugs getting in, they have fuck all chance of stopping a gun ring forming.

And that what I mean by the left hasn't got a fucking clue and only sees and wants to treat symptoms of problems not tackle the actual issues in society.

Mental health
Stagnant class mobility
Societal nihilism
1% globalism
Rampant poverty

Fix those... Ffs

Just looking at the USA, and the 2016 Democratic platform for "left" solutions to those very issues;

For "mental health", try the subsection "Treating Mental Health".

For "stagnant class mobility" and "rampant poverty", try the major section titled "Raise Incomes and Restore Economic Security for the Middle Class", for starters. There's other subsections that further expand beyond that.

For "societal nihilism", which is a bit flimsy and generic, see the major sections titled "Ensure the Health and Safety of All Americans", and "Protect our Values", though really, you can make cases for most of the platform addressing this in some way.

For "1% globalism", see "International Labor". While it's globalist, any reasonable economic foreign policy has to be, and the focus for the Democrats was on improving conditions for workers in the USA and overseas, not the profit margins of the 1%.

So you've got two problems, really.

The first is that you don't realize that left-wingers are actively working on all these already.

And the second is that you apparently don't think one can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time. You don't have to pick one issue. You can address all of them. We don't have to set gun control aside to deal with other problems first, we can deal with them all at the same time.

And before anyone says it, AD made this America-centric in his post, hence my response on that basis. This principle remains true in other nations, too, however.

[Deleted]

Rehabilitation, maybe?

Something other than creating a slave workforce.

You still have to do that in an environment where said process does not pose a harm, if any relabs were to happen.

[GennGreymane]

Whats the info we have so far?

[Elegiac]

You still have to do that in an environment where said process does not pose a harm, if any relabs were to happen.

I don't expect 100% perfection from a system before considering it a net positive, unlike the right.

[Krille]

I'm not sure why the media isn't reporting on this. Is this fake news?

Because no one died and they didnt fire AT anyone, they drove by the city center firing shots into the air as a scare tactic. The person that got hit wasnt even slightly injured.

[Azadina]

Oh come on, that was one guy. Heck read that thread because I was suspicious of them not even distancing from the supposed hacked comments that were made.

Yes the one guy defense. It's always just one guy isn't it? No matter if it's actually number 34826 with similar rhetoric to others.

[Deleted]

I don't expect 100% perfection from a system before considering it a net positive, unlike the right.

So we can agree that imprisonment still have to exist, but rehabilitation could probably be better?

[Elegiac]

So we can agree that imprisonment still have to exist, but rehabilitation could probably be better?

I don't agree that imprisonment constitutes a remotely good solution to any of the aforementioned issues.

So the point still stands; the right has no solutions apart from what they know, which is discriminating and punishing.

[Deleted]

Yes the one guy defense. It's always just one guy isn't it? No matter if it's actually number 34826 with similar rhetoric to others.

I mean, if we're going to go down that path, I can probably find leftists that have called for the death of rich people and such things, but I don't think that's a particularly constructive conversation to have.

Now I will absolutely admit, that we do indeed harbour such people within our political sphere; and it is something that should never be acceptable to hold such absolutely abhorrent opinions. But, it shouldn't be used as a notion of a systematic problem that influences our political motives in all regards.

[the game]

If only they had tighter gun laws in France. This wouldn't have happened.