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    Quote Originally Posted by Sangris View Post
    But is the world ready for 3 comics full of human potential?
    Real question is - are 3 comics enough ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    While it's a nice start, here's hoping we have a comic for the Horde as well, perhaps following a troll, we are going to Zandalar after all.
    I would imagine each of the marquee NPC's will probably get their own comic - Jaina, Anduin, Nathanos, Sylvanas, etc. etc.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagoth Ur View Post
    That's what I am thinking as well. But that's some hc twisting on her part. I mean, not sure how well War3 translates to what "really happened" but in there, Thrall and Rexxar take extra effort to spare Jaina's men and even after Daelin is killed they mentioned how he was a proud warrior and should be remembered as such. Could be that as her vision of the Horde changed, her memories did little adjusting too.
    Well the entire narrative is kind of self-serving in Jaina's part, really. Yes, she faced many traumas so her not having a 100% rational recollection of the events makes perfect sense. But the idea that she didndunuffin and the Horde just betrayed her out of the blue repeatedly isn't exactly factual.

    It's probable that the comic just shows her perspective and isn't supposed to be taken as 100% objective facts. Or perhaps it's just another bit of retconning on the way to making the Horde baddies in the one story where a human was unequivocally the aggressor. Who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    While it's a nice start, here's hoping we have a comic for the Horde as well, perhaps following a troll, we are going to Zandalar after all.
    Rokhan at least. It would be nice to have Vol'jin since everything from his book is going to be in BfA

    Except himself
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    Real question is - are 3 comics enough ?
    Fair enough. At this point I wouldn't even be surprised if Topper McNabb got his own comic full of human potential before any other Alliance racial leader would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    While it's a nice start, here's hoping we have a comic for the Horde as well, perhaps following a troll, we are going to Zandalar after all.
    Fingers crossed for Rokhan getting a comic. You could probably stuff Nathanos and Sylvanas stories into one tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Gains View Post
    Found Christie Golden's mmo-champ troll account.
    No, you found someone who actually knows how this part of the industry works because I have a functional logic center in my brain:


    Blizzard can't just hire a writer and tell them to go apeshit with their lore, that is now how this works... Blizzard plans expansions out years and years in advance, giving a writer free reign in the middle of that does not work - everything that person writes has to align with the lore Blizzard has already written, so they give that person the plot points of the book and that person fluffs it up into a novel, and then Blizzard, the entity which owns the license and commissioned the book, reads it to make sure it's what they want, and if it's not the parts they don't like get rewritten.

    They don't pay for things to be part of their lore that they don't want as part of their lore, thinking otherwise is absolute insanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schattenlied View Post
    No, you found someone who actually knows how this part of the industry works because I have a functional logic center in my brain:


    Blizzard can't just hire a writer and tell them to go apeshit with their lore, that is now how this works... Blizzard plans expansions out years and years in advance, giving a writer free reign in the middle of that does not work - everything that person writes has to align with the lore Blizzard has already written, so they give that person the plot points of the book and that person fluffs it up into a novel, and then Blizzard, the entity which owns the license and commissioned the book, reads it to make sure it's what they want, and if it's not the parts they don't like get rewritten.

    They don't pay for things to be part of their lore that they don't want as part of their lore, thinking otherwise is absolute insanity.
    Considering in golden's book she tries and tell Kalec that she did not leave because of the vote in legion and then in the comic it tells us she DID leave because of the vote. One is consistent with the game aka the comic. One is not which is the book, a book that is written by an author that protects her pet characters. If you read william kings blog detailing his writing process of the illidan novel blizzard does give writers a lot of free rein and control. Golden's bias is clear as day in the novel.




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    Quote Originally Posted by shinros View Post
    Considering in golden's book she tries and tell Kalec that she did not leave because of the vote in legion and then in the comic it tells us she DID leave because of the vote. One is consistent with the game aka the comic. One is not which is the book
    These two things do not, in fact, contradict each other, she says in the book she's doing it for herself but the reason is still clearly the horde being in Dalaran, like she said, people must be true to their natures, and so must she - the Kirin Tor allowing Horde being in Dalaran is not something she, in her nature, can stand, and so instead of fighting the Kirin Tor over it she is leaving them to their (in her opinion from the comic, over-trusting) nature.


    If you read william kings blog detailing his writing process of the illidan novel blizzard does give writers a lot of free rein and control. Golden's bias is clear as day in the novel.
    And yet, Blizzard still proofread the book and approved it, if there was something in there they didn't like they would have told him to re-write the offending parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schattenlied View Post
    These two things do not, in fact, contradict each other, she says in the book she's doing it for herself but the reason is still clearly the horde being in Dalaran, like she said, people must be true to their natures, and so must she - the Kirin Tor allowing Horde being in Dalaran is not something she, in her nature, can stand, and so instead of fighting the Kirin Tor over it she is leaving them to their (in her opinion, over-trusting) nature.



    And yet, Blizzard still proofread the book and approved it, if there was something in there they didn't like they would have told him to re-write the offending parts.
    She says she is trying to FIGURE out her nature. She does not even know what it is. The book says she is NOT leaving because of the vote. The comic clearly says she is. Which is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schattenlied View Post
    No, you found someone who actually knows how this part of the industry works because I have a functional logic center in my brain:


    Blizzard can't just hire a writer and tell them to go apeshit with their lore, that is now how this works... Blizzard plans expansions out years and years in advance, giving a writer free reign in the middle of that does not work - everything that person writes has to align with the lore Blizzard has already written, so they give that person the plot points of the book and that person fluffs it up into a novel, and then Blizzard, the entity which owns the license and commissioned the book, reads it to make sure it's what they want, and if it's not the parts they don't like get rewritten.

    They don't pay for things to be part of their lore that they don't want as part of their lore, thinking otherwise is absolute insanity.
    If your brain works maybe you look up facts before you post. Golden is not only a writer for blizzard she works for them in lore department since May 16, 2017, so yea she has more pull then you realize

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    If your brain works maybe you look up facts before you post. Golden is not only a writer for blizzard she works for them in lore department since May 16, 2017, so yea she has more pull then you realize
    Yup, and that's something people miss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinros View Post
    She says she is trying to FIGURE out her nature. She does not even know what it is. The book says she is NOT leaving because of the vote. The comic clearly says she is. Which is it?
    She might've lied to Kalecgos, as what we see in this comic are clearly her thoughts alone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greathoudini View Post
    "Wahhh it's not like my WCIII! It'll never be as good! It's horrible writing because everything's changed since then!"

    Tbh horrible writing is keeping the story and characters the exact same for 10+ years. Please don't ever write.
    When did I ever say anything about WCIII?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maljinwo View Post
    She might've lied to Kalecgos, as what we see in this comic are clearly her thoughts alone
    Yet the comic says that Kalec understands her, why would she lie to the only person who understands her? This just sounds like an excuse. The comic is consistent with what we see in the game. The book is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinros View Post
    Yet the comic says that Kalec understands her, why would she lie to the only person who understands her? This just sounds like an excuse. The comic is consistent with what we see in the game. The book is not.
    Well, she's clearly lying to herself about ending the Horde as she had no problem with Thrall.
    Hell, Vol'jin even sent her a letter to let her known that he understood what she had to go through and that there was no beef between them.

    And now in her imagination she sees herself icing both of them and Rexxar relishing in Daelin's killing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    Jaina's adventure to Kul Tiras and her punishment/torture in Thros are kind of about coming to terms with her past, her present, and her future. The current Jaina is kind of twisting in the wind at the moment, unable to rectify her previous decisions with her current circumstances and kind of bouncing between self-loathing and externalized hatred. She gets some development later on in BfA as far as that goes, and seems to make steps towards reconciling who she is with who she was (without seeming as if she's turned herself inside out in the process).
    That sounds good. I'll look forward to doing the Alliance stuff in BfA and seeing where they go with her. I feel like BfA is really the make or break opportunity for a lot of this ongoing faction conflict stuff, and Jaina's characterisation is a part of that. If it winds up leading to a new status quo it's gonna be great, but if it meanders and repeats things we've already seen it'll really end up running itself into the ground.

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    Based Jaina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maljinwo View Post
    Well, she's clearly lying to herself about ending the Horde as she had no problem with Thrall.
    Hell, Vol'jin even sent her a letter to let her known that he understood what she had to go through and that there was no beef between them.

    And now in her imagination she sees herself icing both of them and Rexxar relishing in Daelin's killing.
    Excuses again, just maybe golden does not want to present Jaina as a character who would leave over her prejudice? Something that has been consistent in the game over Golden flip flopping Jaina all the time.

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