Would people who dislike modern SW kindly tells what exactly they find ''SJW'' ?

[NihilSustinet]

I like the modern Star Wars movies, I like the original movies (probably one of the few people on this forum that was alive during some of their releases, though admittedly I was young), I liked the prequels too.

People are retarded with their SJW hate and come off worse to me than a douche bag overly SJW person. At most, they're a nuisance, not some super damaging force ruining life as we know it. Personal anecdote, I'm a married straight white guy, I work at an Ivy league University, in one of the most liberal parts of one of the most liberal states, I've had ZERO interactions with the caliber of rampant SJWs you hear about online. I'm sure those people exist, but the "damage" they're perceived to be doing to society is way overblown.

i was born in 82, so i was technically alive when one of the original trilogy came out but yeah, the SJW crowd are a very small group of people who mostly congregate online, or show up at protests every now and then. they are an extremely vocal minority that almost doesnt exist in real life, yet they get a lot of backlash online from the alt right and similar crowds. im an ultralib with many extremely ultralib friends, and ive met more of these idiotic anti-sjw types in real life than i have met actual SJWs. like way way more

[Enthusiastic Steward]

Yeah this is pretty much the thing. most star wars fans look for star wars movies to be light hearted space operas. TLJ is complex and challenging and people dont like it for that. i like complex, challenging films, so TLJ is right up my alley, and it may be my favorite star wars film. i understand why people dont like it, but blaming SJWs is silly, since there is actually little to no political allegory at all... besides maybe the rich people at canto being the worst people in the galaxy, but i think it was more of a joke than actual subtext. people just want to find a reason to hate it, so they inject all this stuff that isnt actually there to justify themselves. more people should just say "i didnt like it because it wasnt the kind of film i want star wars to be" and i would accept that, but the insane nitpickers and anti-sjw injecting their ideology into it is stupid and annoying.

I want to watch it again at some point, as I'm not sure how much of it is it simply not being the type & style of movie I was expecting (which can be a turn-off) vs me just not caring for it. Or where I was expecting some things to play out over the trilogy (Snoke, Rey's parents) and then the movie just goes "Meh, nevermind. He dead, she nobody." Rey's parents being non-entities on its own isn't a bad concept, but in the movie it felt arbitrary to me, but that's opinion.

That was probably my biggest problem watching it, there were too many things that took me out of the movie. Typically when I'm watching a movie as long as I'm into it I'll enjoy it, even if after you can sit down and talk about this being wrong or that not making sense or blah blah blah. But if it does it while I'm watching the movie, where my brain stops and goes, "Wait, hold on" or even just "Wat?". Space-Leia felt awkward. Holdo not simply telling Dameron what the plan was was a distractingly pointless decision. The Kylo-Rey scene in the throne room of "I'm a kill you, no wait let's team up, ok now kill all your friends" felt really forced and did not flow at all for me. Nobody can convince me that Rose's decision at the end wasn't incredibly stupid. And so on.

Oh, also girls did stuff and I'm mad about that.

[Fargus]

Luke Skywalker barely had any "formal training." This is the guy who blew up the Death Star the first time he flew an X-wing. Not to mention that he just showed up at the Rebellion and they trusted him with one of their precious few ships, which he later stole with no consequences.

The training thing is way over-rated. Star Wars is about unlikely heroes doing amazing things. It's been established that you can still use the force without training.

He blew up the Death Star because he was the only Force-capable pilot who could pull something like that off, and Han saved his arse before Vader could shoot him down. He also has his father's natural piloting skills. In ANH it is established that he's capable of piloting vehicles (T-16 Skyhoppers are basically used as training vehicles), so he actually had experience. The Rebels at the time were a motley, rag-tag group who were desperate enough to have this guy pilot one of their starfighters because it's not like they had anyone else better at the time.

Yes, you can still use the Force without training. But you'll suck at it. See TESB as an example where Luke cannot pull his X-Wing out of the swamp, or when he struggles to pull out his lightsaber from snow. In contrast, Marey Sue is able to mind control not just without any training, but when she was oblivious to her powers for the most part.

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(but shes actually not)

Uh yeah, she is.

[Super Kami Dende]

First post, first circular answer. In a franchise in which Luke and Anakin both show remarkable skills with no formal training at all ?

Until they say/show why Rey is special that is the point.

1. Anakin was literally created to be born as a near God-like Chosen one. He was also trained under a sitting Member of the Jedi Council.
2. Luke is the direct Son/Bloodline of a near God-like Chosen one and was mostly useless until trained at least for a while by Kenobi.
3. Rey finds out the Force exists and suddenly can use a Jedi Mind Trick (something even Anakin struggled with doing) and Held her own with a Light Saber vs a trained combatant (before "But she used a staff before!!!!!, Protip: being proficient with a Staff does not make you proficient with a Blade)

[Sliske]

I thought the first half of the first movie was good. The second han was introduced into it in kind of went downhill though. I really hate fan service for the sake of fan service. It wasn't as bad as Terminator Genisys, but damn, did Han look old as fuck which is exactly how my reaction was to see him 'meh, old'.

Kylo Ren was again, first half quite mysterious and cool. Then quickly becomes a rager then we realise he literally is a roudy emo teenager.

I had the same reaction to Luke as i did to Han. Just what the fuck were they even thinking? Why do people think beauty is immortal? It isn't. It doesn't age well. It generally has a very small life span of like 20 - 40 years. You can't just throw 65 year old Mark Hamil at us and expect a good reaction.

Then theres the fact that the over all plot was literally just a copy of the original death star destroying one. Which, fair play. That was a decent plot, but i've already seen it. Its like if they rebooted the Matrix tomorrow with a new trilogy and the first film follows a new character. Said new character is supposedly the chosen one. He spends the entire film doubting himself. No one knows if he is or not. At the very end he dies. Then he revives and turns out hes the chosen one. Yeah, seen that before. I watched it like 20 years ago (holy fuck the matrix came out 20 years ago).

So as for SJW stuff. Can't really recall much of it outside of the very obvious 1 white woman, 1 black man, 1 white man, 1 south American man which yeah, who cares. Thats superficial bullshit. Unless they're specifically putting lines into the movie (i think there may have been one between lea and rey, but to be honest, that fits the narrative between those two characters of two strong independent females) that push SJWisms, then i don't care.

Ain't watched Last Jedi. Rogue One put me to sleep. I watched it but i couldn't tell you a single thing that happened.

[petej0]

Yeah this is pretty much the thing. most star wars fans look for star wars movies to be light hearted space operas. TLJ is complex and challenging and people dont like it for that. i like complex, challenging films, so TLJ is right up my alley, and it may be my favorite star wars film. i understand why people dont like it, but blaming SJWs is silly, since there is actually little to no political allegory at all... besides maybe the rich people at canto being the worst people in the galaxy, but i think it was more of a joke than actual subtext. people just want to find a reason to hate it, so they inject all this stuff that isnt actually there to justify themselves. more people should just say "i didnt like it because it wasnt the kind of film i want star wars to be" and i would accept that, but the insane nitpickers and anti-sjw injecting their ideology into it is stupid and annoying.

I didnt see anything particularly SJW about The Last Jedi. Maybe because I was distracted by the ridiculous story. Leia uses the force to pull herself back to the ship? What training has she had in the force. There was no explanation, she just shows back up and people are phased at all. The lady that assumes command refuses to share her plan with anyone (or with Poe) so we are all left to think she will just continue until they run out of fuel. Rey just knowing how to use the force with no formal training. We are led to believe Snoke is the most powerful force user alive and he is taken down easily by Ren. There is no answer to who Snoke even was. The whole build up of a seemingly bad ass character in Cpt Phasma and she is taken out without much of a fight. Then there is the whole Luke "feel bad more me cuz I can see the evil in Ren but I cant stop it, so I will run away" bit.

[Super Kami Dende]

Rey isn't a "Mary Sue" no matter how many times you say it.

Just say you don't like her. Saying the words "Mary Sue" doesn't make your subjective appraisal of a character suddenly objective.

"How dare you use a term which is a legitimate term for a cliche trope to describe a character which embodies those cliche tropes entirely! WAAAAAHHHHH!"

[Fargus]

Until they say/show why Rey is special that is the point.

1. Anakin was literally created to be born as a near God-like Chosen one. He was also trained under a sitting Member of the Jedi Council.
2. Luke is the direct Son/Bloodline of a near God-like Chosen one and was mostly useless until trained at least for a while by Kenobi.
3. Rey finds out the Force exists and suddenly can use a Jedi Mind Trick (something even Anakin struggled with doing) and Held her own with a Light Saber vs a trained combatant (before "But she used a staff before!!!!!, Protip: being proficient with a Staff does not make you proficient with a Blade)

She also piloted the Falcon better than Han for the first time she was there, and fixed a nagging hyperdrive problem that look a lot less time than what Chewie and R2-D2 were capable of. So essentially she's got better tech know-how than a co-pilot who's been on the ship for decades, and an astromech droid but somehow she's not a Mary Sue according to a couple of la-las on here.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

Held her own with a Light Saber vs a trained combatant

To this specifically though:
- Kylo was already seriously injured
- He was holding back at points to try and sway her
- He had already been shown to be arrogant and impulsive with little self control, prone to tantrums (not good qualities in a fight, especially when you're already hurt and its not going your way)

So for the lightsaber fight there are several mitigating factors.

Also this is a film series where magic bacteria lets you control minds and you can jump out of a hover car and fall hundreds/thousands of feet and be just fine, and getting cut in half and thrown down a hole isn't fatal.

[Florena]

I'm not a fan of TLJ but my complaints are 'that it's social justice warrior pandering.' I enjoy parts of TLJ but other parts of it drive me nuts, so it's a very mixed bag for me.

Not everyone who isn't a fan of the new star wars movies is just crying out 'SJW!' I'd recommend this video series in particular if you want to understand why some people didn't like The Last Jedi. He takes his time delving into what he sees as specific problems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw7pcCj0ORk

I should go ahead and note that I don't agree with every point in these videos, I disagree in some areas, but this is largely the best thought out anti disney star wars video I've seen so far.

[schwank05]

Honestly I have enjoyed both movies, I did however like the first better. The second had a few pretty bad letdowns in it, Snoke just dies so easily and randomly in the 2nd movie of a series? WTF, and the way Luke just kind of oh I'm dead now fades into the force was just as lame as Obi-wan. I do however feel that Rogue One was the best Star Wars movie that has ever released, my only gripe with it was how they introduced a bunch of cool new characters only to kill them all off at the end of the movie.

As a full on conservative who can usually see the SJW in everything, I don't find it that apparent in the SW universe as far as the main Episode VII and VIII goes I don't really see it, I mean there isn't a lot of Feminism going on, the main character being female is fine, It's hard to see, but she is technically the same age as Luke was when he started training, but Mark Hammel was a bit to old to play his character IMO, he looked to be the same age as Han, but was supposed to be much younger.

[Fargus]

Yeah this is pretty much the thing. most star wars fans look for star wars movies to be light hearted space operas. TLJ is complex and challenging and people dont like it for that. i like complex, challenging films, so TLJ is right up my alley, and it may be my favorite star wars film.

TLJ complex and challenging? Haha. Thanks for the laugh.

Not even close. The movie was full of plot-holes, left many questions unexplained (important, world-building ones too) and much of the SW lore was eviscerated. It even tried to be a Marvel film with consistent bad jokes. Rian Johnson failed to continue to build on what JJ Abrams left him to "subvert expectations" (which is just a fancy way of saying surprise). Only problem, is that surprise for the sake of it doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing. You actually need a competent writer for that, which Rian Johnson is not. Go read the Game of Thrones novels (or the TV show to a lesser extent) to see an example of where subverting expectations can actually work.

Want a complex and challenging movie? Go and see something like Interstellar. But don't pretend TLJ was some kind of intellectual movie. It's not. Especially where one of the characters (Rose) comes up with perhaps one of the worst lines in SW movie history (maybe even worse than sand).

[unbound]

TBH, you will find a lot of rationalization from people that find there is too much SJW. I've watched this conversation since well before the Gamergate days.

In reality, SJW is anything that makes conservatives feel uncomfortable with the way they want things to be. Anything that shows or even implies that homosexual, minority, women, etc should be considered as equals or have been / currently are mistreated (aka the bitter truth) is considered SJW by them.

This isn't really different than any other area of change. People who are in the position to enjoy the status quo will always react negatively to any change that challenges it. Fossil fuel corporations fund massive organizations to throw doubt on next generation energy while claiming fossil fuels "just aren't that bad". Big tobacco did the same thing 50 years ago regarding smoking, funding scientists to try to demonstrate smoking was completely safe or even healthy. Gun / ammo manufacturers are doing the same thing today, funding the NRA to lobby on their behalf to ensure the sales of guns and ammo as much as possible. Alcohol companies were at least as much of the reason weed took so long to get legalized as any other reason. For all the claims of rich companies and individuals loving market economics, they actually spend most of their time trying to prevent any form of competition.

As groups who previously had little to no power starts to get traction, existing power groups work overtime trying to maintain their power...mostly by trying to keep other groups de-powered as much as possible for as long as possible.

[Florena]

TLJ complex and challenging? Haha. Thanks for the laugh.

Not even close. The movie was full of plot-holes, left many questions unexplained (important, world-building ones too) and much of the SW lore was eviscerated. It even tried to be a Marvel film with consistent bad jokes. Rian Johnson failed to continue to build on what JJ Abrams left him to "subvert expectations" (which is just a fancy way of saying surprise). Only problem, is that surprise for the sake of it doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing. You actually need a competent writer for that, which Rian Johnson is not. Go read the Game of Thrones novels (or the TV show to a lesser extent) to see an example of where subverting expectations can actually work.

Want a complex and challenging movie? Go and see something like Interstellar. But don't pretend TLJ was some kind of intellectual movie. It's not. Especially where one of the characters (Rose) comes up with perhaps one of the worst lines in SW movie history (maybe even worse than sand).

Yeah. Subverting expecations is all fine and well, but you need to do it in a way that leads to something interesting.

For example Captain America Civil War set up a plot point that made it look like the climax would be cap and iron man joining forces against the other winter soldiers, falling into the usual 'super heroes fight eachother, then make up and fight a villain' trope. BVS DOJ fell into this trope with Doomsday for example. Then they subvert that expectation and in its place have a very personal three way fight between Cap, Tony and Bucky. This subversion worked well.

In Iron Man 3, many people didn't like the subversion with the villain, because the fake villain was to them much more interesting than the real villain. For people who didn't like it, this was a failed subversion.

Subversion in and of itself doesn't get you any points, what you subvert the expectation WITH needs to be interesting. Subversion is a tool that can work or fail depending on who's viewing it and how it's handled.

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As far as Luke goes, I do think he has some unexplained skills. He barely had any force mentoring from obi wan before destroying the death star. He had never flown an x wing before. Luke closing his eyes and using the force to pull off a 1 in a million shot was not something I think you can argue he had adequate training for. Rei took things a step further, sure, but it's not like Luke didn't have issues in episode 4. Where things really diverge is in episodes 5/8 where Luke ultimately fails in the end and has to be rescued, where the only thing Rei failed at was getting Kylo to turn good and helped save the resistance at the end. And that's even factoring in all Luke taught Rei about was why the jedi sucked and Luke got actual force trianing from Yoda.

[Tiwack]

In an effort to show that good and evil are complicated, we've gone to a world where the bad guys are bad, the good guys are bad, and there are no truly innocent bystanders. It's entertainment so leave out the controlled political commentary through casting and story telling. Don't try to make it appear like things have changed when it couldn't be further from reality in the first place. It's great they're trying but it's not the way create societal change. The movies can reflect it at best but it's always going to be not for everyone, often fiction and inevitably causing tensions if you don't approach people properly as human beings instead of dogs.

Studios and publishers chasing big scores don't replace the debate and discussions that help bring equilibrium to society - the results of which their data shows and they follow for profit - While this is certainly one way to approach the subject and chase profit off the back of the results democratic debate - it tends to do a bad job of it by backfiring or getting lost in opinions on different things in the movies, instead of focusing on the bigger underlying disagreements in worldview unrelated to whatever fandom is discussed and geeked out over.

[petej0]

TBH, you will find a lot of rationalization from people that find there is too much SJW. I've watched this conversation since well before the Gamergate days.

In reality, SJW is anything that makes conservatives feel uncomfortable with the way they want things to be. Anything that shows or even implies that homosexual, minority, women, etc should be considered as equals or have been / currently are mistreated (aka the bitter truth) is considered SJW by them.

I think the problem is that many of the SJW critiques are because it doesnt feel organic. To just include different types of characters because you have some checklist of character types isnt organic. Not every movie needs

Female
Black Guy
Gay Person
Trans Person
Asian
Hispanic
etc.. etc..


However if it feels more organic nobody cares or even notices. Take for example the whole Lando/pansexual thing. I saw what the director and actor said about the character before the movie but wasnt shocked by the news because Lando has always been a smooth type of person. I was upset, because his sexuality has nothing to do with the story. After seeing the Solo movie, I didnt notice anything that hinted at his sexuality.

[Mayia]

But Luke was powerful enough to use the force to destroy the Death Star with no formal training...

And Anakin was way worse than both Luke and Rey put together.

The force didn't help luke skywalker blow up the death star, bulls eyeing wamp rats on his home planet flying skyhoppers with a control system like the x-wing who made both ships allowed him to do that, the force allowed him to calm his mind and trust himself, and not the computer which had already failed.


Rey shows great skill in many areas with no training and no flashbacks, from what we understand she has been left on this planet to fend for herself by pulling starships apart, at some stage we have to assume she had some kind of training in the falcon because she seems to understand it, which questions how long she's been fending for herself, This is bad story telling in order to get to "POWER WOMAN" it completely skipped the story where the woman worked hard to achieve her goals, which is what feminists like to push.
Before we get to the force powers she uses better than luke did after training with a jedi master for months and having knowledge about the force from obiwan months before that, Rey seems to pick it up on the fly and the story is really lacking either she did train in-between parts we didn't see and its missing because somebody can't write a story or she just is a complete mary sue with no need to explain how she can do these things.
In reverse when Jaina the better character Rey was based on needs to defeat her twin brother who has gone dark side, her family realize that luke can't kill him and Jaina goes to Boba fett to get any edge she can and she trains with somebody who is almost hostile to her and kills jedi not to mention all the times Jaina and the other children are spending at the jedi temple learning and training, so much depth is put into what these characters do some people dont like how much action they are put in during their young years.

"let the past die, kill it if you have to." is a kick in the face of what star wars was/is
Admiral Holdo - All of her is progressive bullshit from the not explaining her fantastic plan which ends up killing 99% of the people she was meant to protect while treating the ace pilot like a piece of shit as feminists treat "white men" because he acts like "a man" who almost single handedly saved them, and because she was leading the fleet they wrote her in and wrote out the more popular and all round better leader MR its a trap himself!
Poor writing yet again.In the EU leaders in the rebellion make something of themselves, and i don't recall a story where some weird hair coloured idiot took over and got everyone killed, maybe its in a book i haven't read yet :P

Progressive hires, wasted storyline stormtrooper who was brain washed by the first order and forced to kill like many of his friends are.. skipped over storyline about how they could i don't know SAVE LIVES? create a faction inside the first order to free those kidnapped children, instead they return to canon fodder.
Rose in the last jedi.

The treatment of turning luke skywalker into Jake skywalker, is anti male very feminist.
Luke skywalker faced his father and the emperor a being much more powerful than himself and threw himself at their mercy, he stopped fighting with his father because he could sense good in somebody who was comparable to space hitler, or even STALIN!(which is worse.) and he'd lost friends personally to this person even knowing he'd caused leia massive pain and heart ache blowing up her entire planet.
Yet still there was good in him, and he wouldn't kill his father.
But when Ben goes bad its enough for luke to rush into his room and try to kill him in his sleep.. its completely out of character.. his giving up is completely out of character its turning a hero archtype into trash because luke skywalker is a hero, so they turned him into jake skywalker the cancerous half brother who couldn't deal with life, and abandons his friends.
Meanwhile in the EU Luke pretty much tries to save everyone he can considering his lightsaber a last option, he is even more understanding about people using the dark side of the force he wont brand them as evil and expel them, they'll try to help them, he is also a more balanced character he has a wife child marries and though family life doesn't end up perfect he doesn't let personal loss stop him from doing what needs to be done and saving the galaxy.

Same goes for Han.. at the end of the star wars flims, Han had learnt that family and friends were worth fighting for, and these people would risk their lives for his.. and he'd found a place.. then he loses his son and abandons his wife basically telling women who like the han solo type he'll disappoint you in the end no matter what, when he never would, and when his friends would help him.

Chewie gets complete shafted he gets to be a bystander the entire films because there wasn't any left over space for this character Leia doesn't even hug him after han dies the partner han has had for so many years they were more lovers than he and leia.
In the EU Chewie looks after the kids more actively and even gives his life for them.


Oh and as mentioned Anakin had been racing as a child before we met him its explained much more than a throw away line because we also get to see him in action and other characters back up his statement "will you finish the race this time"


It certainly didn't help matters that between the first and second movie one director wanted to piss in the other ones mouth, and walked back major plot points for the first movie that were going to be resloved later by killing off snoke and reys parents pretty poorly - combined with the fact of how the Staff are handling any comments on the poorly thought out movies.

episode 7 is almost a rewatch of a new hope with so few elements that are new you don't need to stay awake to figure out major plot points, but if you don't like stuff you are a racist/sexist that makes everyone reasonable upset.
Because if you can't point out shit smells bad when its a fact without being labeled then the people labeling you aren't honest, All the explaining from outside the flims which is more episode 8 than 7 mind you is a prime example of a bad film movie goers might want to discuss and think about how movies went about telling their message but nobody who watched the matrix asked the creators wtf they were smoking and why they did so many things because the movie though complex made sense and you had all the required info in the movie to suspend disbelief in the world and story without it becoming a mess.

These films cannot stand without ten extra pages explaining shit meanwhile a shoe horned free the animals progressive scene was shoved in when they were clearly having such trouble telling the story of the film, along with the love story which is always shitty but i don't think we can blame disney for having a love scene just for making the actress look like complete dog turd when she looks much prettier than that.. and having her act insane.
If han was in the same situation Finn was in, would Leia "Save him" and let everyone else die? nope, she would've let him die and mourned a hero.. but as before you can't have male heroes in starwars at the of episode 8 none of the men have done anything heroic which wasn't taken away by a past or future action.



Also social movements in 1960-1980 when women and "people of colour" needed more support were great and we should still have hollywood put more people of colour in leading roles and behind cameras, go make it happen, but today it isn't really required if you look at the numbers the population is about the number in hollywood 50% white and 50% non white on television is 30-40% too much compared to the population of the US, and compare to India how many white people are in their films per population?
The changes we want have been made and America and the western world are still pulling people out of poverty at a much greater rate than any other system ever tried, and despite how many attempts communism has been given it only ends in mass deaths, Perhaps we require the vulcans to help us get it just like in star trek because in that timeline they still had a world war 3, so we might still be on track for a perfect world but we aren't close yet.

And Starwars wasn't really progressive, we saw one black dude in an entire galaxy and while i think lets cut a couple of aliens let more background characters be people of colour aliens are the stand in for different races but it'd still be nice to see desert planets with large african like populations because they'd need more pigment, or a reason why people are so pale considering the bright sun (Tuskens do that to a point but the farmers would be crispy too)

Was there anything else? not that i can think of at 1am, and i haven't seen solo and i don't really care to right away so i wont speak on what i've heard.
TL;DR When Anakin and Luke are given to us, the story and background and confirmation of other characters tell us why/how they can do these things, and pointing out in some EU material other characters were also poorly written isn't a defense its no excuse both shouldn't happen, but i suspect more story and background was put into some of these.

[Xath]

It's a leitmotiv. Starwars, that franchise that brought ''artistic integrity'' to its pinnacle, sucks now because ''it's SJW''



So while the debate will be likely circular...

A)Please give an example of something you find ''pandering'' or ''political''
B)Explain how this is a change from the three originals or the old Extended Universe

(I must say in advance that arguments about how its unfair that space wizard monks are overpower and much better than anyone else are kinda irrelevant, as, yes, the franchise made abundantly clear that the said space wizard monks always win against the Muggles, whatever bright technicolor tint their skin is, the presence of tentacles on their heads or not, or the lack of penises)

They are movies made by committee going down checkboxes not to mention Rey is the most overpowered character to every exist in star wars even compared to Anakin she is a giant in terms of force ability and progression.

Whether that is SJW or not is up to debate but I just consider them bad movies especially in the context of the Star Wars name being attached to them. Rogue One is the only exception to that so far.

[Deleted]

a) Rey is a Mary Sue - she is the exact definition of the term, created to pander to fan-fiction-addled immature girls

b) If you want to know why Star Wars is very SJW, play the classic game "reverse the genders"

In the photo below, imagine 4 white MEN wearing T-shirts with the words "The Force Is MALE"

What kind of total sexist dickhead would do that? What kind of ridiculous, immature, KKK-level stupid would that be?

Exactly.

The same people who don't understand the anti-SJW negative reaction to Star Wars are the same people who find this photo unremarkable, or make convoluted excuses for it:



There is no excuse for it: TLJ is sexist, feminist garbage, and the negative reaction to Star Wars is justified

[Ivanstone]

Go read the Game of Thrones novels (or the TV show to a lesser extent) to see an example of where subverting expectations can actually work.

Wow. You think TLJ is an SJW movie but are now suggesting people read Game of Feminism? Not very consistent in your arguments are you?