North Korea Summit could be back on!

[Felya]

@Allybeboba saying that everyone is biased, other than you, should be a clue, without needing to PM you. There is literally no point, because you will either respond with ‘kek’ or bias. You have literally called critique of the US president, a derangement syndrome.

Oh and doing shit like this, shouldn’t fool anyone either:
https://mobile.reuters.com/north-korea

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And by the way, AP and Reuters are news, not top shelf foreign policy analysis. You're way out of your depth, looking for a win for your failing orange imbecile President.

He linked it to stay on topic. My guess he will report anyone who replies in kind.

More upto date news on NK:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/north-korea

[Allybeboba]

@Allybeboba saying that everyone is biased, other than you, should be a clue, without needing to PM you. There is literally no point, because you will either respond with ‘kek’ or bias. You have literally called critique of the US president, a derangement syndrome.

Oh and doing shit like this, shouldn’t fool anyone either:
https://mobile.reuters.com/north-korea

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He linked it to stay on topic. My guess he will report anyone who replies in kind.

More upto date news on NK:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/north-korea

What makes you think I am reporting anyone in this thread my friend? Have you seen anyone get infracted in it even though people have been freely trolling?

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-guardian/

The latest from Rueters.
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1IW1TA

Cheers

[Felya]

What makes you think I am reporting anyone in this thread my friend? Have you seen anyone get infracted in it even though people have been freely trolling?

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-guardian/

The latest from Rueters.
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1IW1TA

Cheers

The fact that someone who thinks they are being trolled, would report it, not just play a victim. Also, the fact that you linked to the same page I linked for Routers... missing the point that your link didn’t actually say anything. It’s a glossary, that in no way represents your opinion.

If you think you are being trolled, you should report it. If you have an opinion, you should state it.

[Allybeboba]

The fact that someone who thinks they are being trolled, would report it, not just play a victim. Also, the fact that you linked to the same page I linked for Routers... missing the point that your link didn’t actually say anything. It’s a glossary, that in no way represents your opinion.

If you think you are being trolled, you should report it. If you have an opinion, you should state it.

The link works on my mobile device my friend. I don’t believe I had mentioned trolling until you mentioned reporting. That is unless you think there are some members in this thread that have been trolling and deserve to be reported. It is actually against the forum rules to respond to trolling with trolling because you to can be infracted as well. There is no reason for me to report people for obvious reasons.

Your link. All one has to do is substitute ‘www’ and ‘mobile’
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-n...-idUSKCN1IW1TA

Cheers

[Felya]

Have you seen anyone get infracted in it even though people have been freely trolling?

The link works on my mobile device my friend. I don’t believe I had mentioned trolling until you mentioned reporting. That is unless you think there are some members in this thread that have been trolling and deserve to be reported. It is actually against the forum rules to respond to trolling with trolling because you to can be infracted as well. There is no reason for me to report people for obvious reasons.

You mentioned people trolling you... how are you asking me to explain your reasons? Can you drop the act already?

Your link. All one has to do is substitute ‘www’ and ‘mobile’
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-n...-idUSKCN1IW1TA

Cheers

You linked the same thing, you quoted me liking you. WTF? Click my link you quoted and the one your replied to me with.

[Gestopft]

A lot of places.

Thanks! Already bookmarking stuff.

I actually have had a brochure for Foreign Affairs on my desk for a while, but from a time committment perspective, "200-page issues" is difficult to reconcile with "primary parent of a three year old."

If you were to take bets, does the summit actually happen? Or is China Lucy, NK a football, and Trump Charlie Brown?

And to think: ANY of the other candidates running in 2016 would’ve at least understood why giving NK a summit is a bad idea. Possible exception Sleepy the Surgeon

[Skroe]

Thanks! Already bookmarking stuff.

I actually have had a brochure for Foreign Affairs on my desk for a while, but from a time committment perspective, "200-page issues" is difficult to reconcile with "primary parent of a three year old."

If you were to take bets, does the summit actually happen? Or is China Lucy, NK a football, and Trump Charlie Brown?

And to think: ANY of the other candidates running in 2016 would’ve at least understood why giving NK a summit is a bad idea. Possible exception Sleepy the Surgeon

If the Summit doesn't happen, it will because North Korea doesn't want it to happen. Kim Jong Un on an airplane to Singapore is, itself, a really, really big deal. The Kim's have been paranoid about air travel for years, and travel almost entirely by armored train.

It may sound a bit ridiculous, but from their perspective, Kim Jong Un on a State Airplane (not that they are that reliable to begin with) flying near South Korea, Japan and who knows how many US warships and bases, is a serious security concern. What better way to launch a decapitation strike than to blow him out of the sky? The US doesn't do things like that, but they think we could.

So does North Korea's delegation use their own aircraft? Do they use Chinese aircraft? Do they fly in Chinese airspace? Are they going to be escorted by Chinese fighters? North Korea has no tankers, so its air force can't escort Kim Jong Un.

I sincerely doubt Trump cancels the summit again, unless he sincerely has so choice. He's desperate for this. Truly desperate. His domestic agenda is dead at home. Worse than dead. It's a joke. He's still staging rallies and talking about Mexico paying a wall that will never be built. Republicans themselves played a key role in destroying "Spygate". And every week, Mueller constricts a little tighter around him.

Trump needs this summit. He needs this more than anything in the world right now. He's an international pariah and a domestic political liability. The weakest President in over a century. He needs a major win, and through this Summit he'll try and manufacture one.

Keyword: manufacture. Because if you read the North Korean litature linked at those sites, apparently the goals of the summit have been so downgraded to be entirely symbolic. The US will remove North Korea from the list of State Sponsors of Terror (which it's been on for the past year-ish, since Kim Jong Un had his half brother assassinated with VX nerve agent). North Korea will make some commitments to disarmament, and some superficial sanctions (not the big ones) will be lifted. A mission to each country might be opened. But a final peace treaty? Fullscale disarmament? US Withdrawal from South Korea? None of that is in the cards.

Trump will try to sell it as the greatest Summit in 50 years. But he and his loser supporters will be left scratching their heads when the Nobel Comittee, people actually abel to discern substance from platitudes, entirely ignores them, thus depriving Trump of the validation he so seeks.

Basically, this summit is shaping up the be a gargantuan nothingburger, because - entirely not surprisingly - the lack of long term negotiations have created a situation where a major breakthrough / final settlement is impossible

@ Trumpkins... I hope you take this to heart. The norms and practices of diplomacy don't give a fig how much you like your President. Get ready for a good 15 years of negotiations with the North Koreans, kiddos.

[Allybeboba]

Like Skroe stated, the Kims are very wary of air travel. They practically travel exclusively on their armored train. The younger Kim is “loves to fly” but any state trip would be on his armored train due to security.
Most recently his train was sighted in Beijing.

Cheers

[Deleted]

I sincerely doubt Trump cancels the summit again, unless he sincerely has so choice. He's desperate for this. Truly desperate.

Are you looking forward to Trump handing over Asia-Pacific to Xi? lol

[Skroe]

Are you looking forward to Trump handing over Asia-Pacific to Xi? lol

He'll try. The US Military won't let him and Trump won't be around long enough to see it happen. The next US Ambassador to South Korea is the just-exiting Commander of US Pacific Command (just renamed Indo-Pacific Command). He had this to say yesterday.

http://www.newsweek.com/us-must-stop...l-warns-950627

The commander of the U.S. Pacific Command and nominee to be America’s next ambassador to South Korea has warned that the U.S. must stand up against the threat of Chinese hegemony in Asia.

Admiral Harry Harris said on Wednesday that the Western world is approaching an inflection point in history, when “freedom and justice hang in the balance,” CNN reported.

Harris was speaking as he handed over control of Pacific Command—now re-named the Indo-Pacific Command—and ended his three-year tenure overseeing America’s largest area of operations.

“China remains our biggest long-term challenge,” Harris said, warning that only “focused involvement and engagement by the United States and our allies” can stop China from achieving “its dream of hegemony in Asia.”

Chinese-American relations in Asia have been strained by Beijing’s increasingly determined military policy, especially in the South China Sea. China has constructed a network of artificial islands and reefs in the region to enforce territorial claims that overlap with five of its neighbors.

The bases are being steadily militarized with a range of missiles, electronic warfare systems and aircraft, drawing condemnation from the U.S. and neighboring countries. China claims the islands are purely defensive, but their existence has given Beijing effective control of the South China Sea without a shot being fired.

U.S. naval vessels have conducted “freedom of navigation” operations to stress America’s belief that the area constitutes international waters, but there is little the U.S. can do to dislodge Chinese forces.

Following recent deployments of missile systems and nuclear bomber training on the islands, the Pacific Command withdrew an invitation for China to take part in the 2018 Rim of the Pacific military drill—the world’s largest international naval military exercise. Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi called the decision “a very unconstructive move” and criticized the “negative mindset” of the U.S.

In the short term, Harris noted that North Korea remains America's “most imminent threat” and that a North Korean regime with nuclear-capable missiles able to reach the U.S. is an “unacceptable” proposition. The admiral also said Russia is acting as a “spoiler” in the Indo-Pacific region.

“A geopolitical competition between free and repressive visions of world order is taking place in the Indo-Pacific,” Harris said. “Great power competition is back, and I believe we're approaching an inflection point in history.… Freedom and justice hang in the balance.”

The admiral had originally been slated as America’s next ambassador to Australia. However, the nomination was pulled just hours before his confirmation hearing, reportedly on the suggestion of Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

Harris’s official nomination as South Korea ambassador was sent to the Senate on May 18 and is expected to be confirmed soon. The position has been vacant for about 18 months, leaving Chargé d'Affaires Marc Knapper to run the Seoul embassy in the interim.

Harris has been cautious in responding to North Korea’s newfound diplomacy and has warned against falling for a “charm offensive.” He previously said his preferred approach to the secretive state is to use military, economic and diplomatic pressure to “bring Kim Jong Un to his senses, not his knees.”

Born in Japan to a Japanese mother and an American naval officer father, Harris is the first Asian-American to reach a four-star rank in the Navy.

As a result I'm far less concerned about this than I was two weeks ago. Combined with the planned surge in shipbuilding and long range weapons in FY2019, The US Military is on top of it.

https://news.usni.org/2018/05/24/hou...horization-act
https://news.usni.org/2018/05/23/chi...impac-exercise
https://insidedefense.com/insider/hi...9-reap-savings

Basically the US Navy is going to buy two-carriers in package deal in 2019, and shift procurement to a three year schedule. This puts the US Navy back on an early 1980s ship-building schedule and will lead to 15 carriers by 2045. By comparison until 2009, the US bought 1 carrier every 4 years since the mid 1990s, and since 2009, it's been 1 carrier every 5 years. Two now, then one every 3 years, is big. It's very big.

And it's a rate China can't possibly compete with. So yeah, they got it covered.

[Deleted]

As a result I'm far less concerned about this than I was two weeks ago. Combined with the planned surge in shipbuilding and long range weapons in FY2019, The US Military is on top of it.

https://news.usni.org/2018/05/24/hou...horization-act
https://news.usni.org/2018/05/23/chi...impac-exercise
https://insidedefense.com/insider/hi...9-reap-savings

Basically the US Navy is going to buy two-carriers in package deal in 2019, and shift procurement to a three year schedule. This puts the US Navy back on an early 1980s ship-building schedule and will lead to 15 carriers by 2045. By comparison until 2009, the US bought 1 carrier every 4 years since the mid 1990s, and since 2009, it's been 1 carrier every 5 years. Two now, then one every 3 years, is big. It's very big.

And it's a rate China can't possibly compete with. So yeah, they got it covered.

You can forget all these wishlists after Trump gets his quagmire in Iran. It's gonna drain your military resources even more and giving China the opportunity they need to shoot ahead.

[Skroe]

You can forget all these wishlists after Trump gets his quagmire in Iran. It's gonna drain your military resources even more and giving China the opportunity they need to shoot ahead.

Nah. The US Military has no intentions on a ground war in Iran, especially when they're redesigning around heavy armor warfare in the Norhtern European Plain / East European Plain and island hopping in the Pacific.

It's not a wishlist, when it's fully funded by the way. That already happened. Two months ago. In the 2018 budget that saw a $150 billion increase in defense spending.

This is happening, anti-American. Deal with it.

[Deleted]

Nah. The US Military has no intentions on a ground war in Iran, especially when they're redesigning around heavy armor warfare in the Norhtern European Plain / East European Plain and island hopping in the Pacific.

It's not a wishlist, when it's fully funded by the way. That already happened. Two months ago. In the 2018 budget that saw a $150 billion increase in defense spending.

This is happening, anti-American. Deal with it.

You'll be all alone with that, no one's gonna help you in the Northeast european plain. If you bring war to Europe again, we will bring the war to you.

[Skroe]

You'll be all alone with that, no one's gonna help you in the Northeast european plain. If you bring war to Europe again, we will bring the war to you.

You say that, yet European nations and localities has been basically competitive bidding for basing the new permanent, expanded US forces in Europe and deepending US defense ties to support that.

https://www.stripes.com/news/fort-ho...oland-1.528383
https://www.defensenews.com/land/201...s-into-europe/
https://www.defense.gov/News/Article...mer-exercises/

Thank you for your taxpayer dollars. The 13,000 troops rolling through Germany right now will wave as they drive by. You can go see them today in Brandenburg.

[Deleted]

You say that, yet European nations and localities has been basically competitive bidding for basing the new permanent, expanded US forces in Europe and deepending US defense ties to support that.

https://www.stripes.com/news/fort-ho...oland-1.528383
https://www.defensenews.com/land/201...s-into-europe/
https://www.defense.gov/News/Article...mer-exercises/

Thank you for your taxpayer dollars. The 13,000 troops rolling through Germany right now will wave as they drive by. You can go see them today in Brandenburg.

You won't put your trash on French soil, we won't take any of it.

[Skroe]

You won't put your trash on French soil, we won't take any of it.

Why would we put trash in a country that hosts thousands of our war dead?

Five of my relatives fought in World War II. Two of them fought in France, and on in Italy (the other two in the Pacific). One had such bad experiences there he died in a gutter, drunk, suffering from PTSD, a decade-and-change later. Show a little respect, please. The American-European strategic alliance is bound by blood.

[Deleted]

Why would we put trash in a country that hosts thousands of our war dead?

Five of my relatives fought in World War II. Two of them fought in France, and on in Italy (the other two in the Pacific). One had such bad experiences there he died in a gutter, drunk, suffering from PTSD, a decade-and-change later. Show a little respect, please. The American-European strategic alliance is bound by blood.

Didn't you claim you were a Colombian immigrant?

[Skroe]

Didn't you claim you were a Colombian immigrant?

No. I'm half-Colombian, half-Italian. I was born in the US, as was my father. My grandfather on my father's side was born in Colombia and immigrated to the US after World War II (he worked in Venezuelan oil fields during the war). My mother's family immigrated to the US in the 1880s.

I speak week 2 middle school level spanish. Yo quiero taco bell.

[Allybeboba]

Big surprise, nothing about the Summit on NK tv apparently.
https://www.npr.org/sections/paralle...lanting-season

Cheers

[Felya]

Big surprise, nothing about the Summit on NK tv apparently.
https://www.npr.org/sections/paralle...lanting-season

Someone needs to call Trump and let him know how disingenuous NK is... since the last 40 years are not enough. As I have said several times in this thread, NK has museums dedicated to showing American brutality in murdering Korean women and children. Until that changes, NK is playing Trump’s insecurity, by having him have one on one talks, that US previously refused to have without Japan and other allies.