Argus Boost groups.. GTFO!

[Sialina]

Did you ever wonder why it's so easy to find an Argus only group? It's not because people constantly fail him after
downing Aggramar, it's beacuse of 2 reasons.

1. Some people want the mount/curve from Argus

2. Other people want the higher Ilvl stuff from Argus

Now what are your options?
A. Join a group at Aggramar, at this point with DPS as high as it is, this will be the biggest wipe risk in
the entire raid by a long shot, you might not even kill it and the group might disband, potentially wasting a
lot of time, and it "only" drops 945 loot

B. Join a group at Argus, you get to skip Aggramar "for free" because whoever made the group put that work
in for you. You also have a very low chance of failure because frankly, Argus sucks. With the POTENTIAL drawback
of having to "carry" a 910 guy.

C. Make your own Aggramar group, facing both the risks of A and B combined only to avoid the potential drawback
of a carry that won't affect performance.

Think of it like this, the leader gets some gold, you get a free Argus save and you can spend the 30 minutes it takes to put
the group together watching TV, eating or whatever else you might want to do, the bostee gets his Chieve/mount

[gushDH]

It's quite funny that the leader can invite whoever they want, right?

You are mad about something that the leader is allowed to do without mentioning it.

[FelPlague]

Is it really, though? That shit can be avoided by making your own group so you can personally decline anyone under the iLv you seek.

would anyone ever join a group with 1 dps in it?
or would you rather allways join the group with 2 tanks 2 heals and 8 dps?

[luciano]

Why do you care? If Player A and Player B come to a gold arrangement, and you are neither Player A nor B, then it doesn't affect you. Just mind your own business, kill the marked targets in order, collect your loot and STFU.

[anveena]

Maybe next time you should just make your own group.

[Deleted]

Why do you care? If Player A and Player B come to a gold arrangement, and you are neither Player A nor B, then it doesn't affect you. Just mind your own business, kill the marked targets in order, collect your loot and STFU.

Isn't it obvious? He's pissed because he doesn't get a cut of the profits.

[clevin]

How is it a retarded argument? It is the easiest solution to OPs problem.
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because, if everyone makes their own group and no one joins someone else's group... guess what happens.

Sure, it's a solution to the issue but it only works if a minority of people do it because if not, you take a long time for a group to fill.

Now... I don't think there's a better solution aside from people not pulling this crap. Not if we're talking PUGs. Obviously, the other solution is to join a guild but for some reason many of you can't or won't do that, so... /shrug.

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Why do you care? If Player A and Player B come to a gold arrangement, and you are neither Player A nor B, then it doesn't affect you. Just mind your own business, kill the marked targets in order, collect your loot and STFU.

Because 1) you're helping boost someone who's paying but unlike a guild doing it, you get none of the benefit from that and 2) you're not doing a fast run with geared and experienced people you're doing a run that might be fast but could also be slowed/screwed up by someone who is at best dead weight and at worst an active liability.

[Lochton]

I'm sorry, but it wasn't just one person. Normally sells has at least a few backups in the group as well. You jumped on the wagon because you didn't make your own.

[Noxina]

because, if everyone makes their own group and no one joins someone else's group... guess what happens.

Sure, it's a solution to the issue but it only works if a minority of people do it because if not, you take a long time for a group to fill.

Now... I don't think there's a better solution aside from people not pulling this crap. Not if we're talking PUGs. Obviously, the other solution is to join a guild but for some reason many of you can't or won't do that, so... /shrug.

Not everyone got the issues OP got though, some people actually dont mind at all to boost someone for free.

[oplawlz]

"Make your own group" remains the most retarded argument you can see on these forums

Valid arguments that completely defeat whine posts aren't "retarded".

[Maudib]

Don't just leave when you can sabotage attempts

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"Make your own group" remains the most retarded argument you can see on these forums

People are too lazy and can't be arsed to ptu together a group... probably not skilled enough to lead the group either. Then complain about carrying other players. "Wasted 35 mins of their time."

Typical casual player who is Blizzard's main customer now. Someone who wants the fast and easy way and to play a couple hour a week and go play their other 17 ADHD required games.

When the game was amazing, it took 35 mins for people to make their way to the raid entrance. If your time is that "valuable" what in the world are you doing wasting it on this excuse for an MMO?

[Sithalos]

"Make your own group" remains the most retarded argument you can see on these forums

Riiiight..

Just because you're too lazy and/or stupid to make your groups? I guess crying on forums about group leaders will help you more.

[Zyky]

.. and another dumb fuck missing the entire point of this thread What are we up to now? 4 people? Amazing.. truly amazing :O

The point you're making is a stupid one. You care too much about something that isn't a problem. OH NO SOMEONE IS MAKING CHUMP GOLD! Get over it.

[Marrilaife]

Did you ever wonder why it's so easy to find an Argus only group? It's not because people constantly fail him after
downing Aggramar, it's beacuse of 2 reasons.

1. Some people want the mount/curve from Argus

2. Other people want the higher Ilvl stuff from Argus

Now what are your options?
A. Join a group at Aggramar, at this point with DPS as high as it is, this will be the biggest wipe risk in
the entire raid by a long shot, you might not even kill it and the group might disband, potentially wasting a
lot of time, and it "only" drops 945 loot

B. Join a group at Argus, you get to skip Aggramar "for free" because whoever made the group put that work
in for you. You also have a very low chance of failure because frankly, Argus sucks. With the POTENTIAL drawback
of having to "carry" a 910 guy.

C. Make your own Aggramar group, facing both the risks of A and B combined only to avoid the potential drawback
of a carry that won't affect performance.

Think of it like this, the leader gets some gold, you get a free Argus save and you can spend the 30 minutes it takes to put
the group together watching TV, eating or whatever else you might want to do, the bostee gets his Chieve/mount

Yes, the problem is Blizzard created retarded boss that is Aggramar heroic, which is a bane of pugs and 10x worse than Argus hc. It isn't your typical "don't stand in shit, don't get hit by stuff and dps" heroic boss, it actually requires coordination. And then they also made a "skip" that is not much of a skip because it still requires you to kill 2 extra bosses. Wtb skip like Blackhand - you have it, you go straight to Blackhand, you don't have to kill Oregorger and Blast Furnace as well, just for funsies.

My guild is selling Antorus hc boost in the "obvious" way (it's a guild run not pug, we share gold between the boosters, we roll items we don't want to the buyers which is basically everything except some one in a million titanforge, we summon them to every boss so they can basically afk, we finish pretty quickly etc.) and Aggramar is the worst boss every week especially when boostees do random stuff like kill the small adds or stun them or w/e even though every time we tell them feel free to afk or dps the boss but don't touch the freaking adds. Nearly every week we need to use extra healer just for that boss because you get double / triple explosions and whatever else.

So yeah, fuck that boss.

I can imagine pugs who want Argus trinket upgrade want a "premium" of someone having a ready made Argus lockout. It's the same as pugs wanting a ready made +15 key and when I have +14 not even a lame dog passes by, but list a 15 and immediately get 3 pages of 970+ dpsers.

So yeah, if you have a valuable commodity (Argus lockout, m+15 key) you can set the demands. Atm Argus lockout is worth the "price" of boosting a green geared raid leader or his buddy. If it wasn't, people would be joining Garothi-Aggramar-Argus groups but nope, they just wanna insta Argus. And people who sit on Argus lockout obviously want to make use of it by for example creating a boosting cycle. That's why the leader "logs off", he wants to recycle that lockout, he will usually come back on some other alt (maybe to get boosted himself, maybe a decently geared one), but the one with the lockout keeps the lockout to keep the boosts rolling.

Only annoying part is these "pug boosts" are dumping the price of other boosts because full group boosts need to pay enough for all the boosters, and pugs need to be profitable just for the raid leader since he doesn't share the gold. And buyers somehow think wipetastic pugs with no guarantee of loot share are worth the same as full guild run boost.

[Sundreamer]

look who got banned...not surprised.

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would anyone ever join a group with 1 dps in it?
or would you rather allways join the group with 2 tanks 2 heals and 8 dps?

that group had to start somewhere as well :P

[FelPlague]

look who got banned...not surprised.

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that group had to start somewhere as well :P

Yes, a tank or a healer, or a few dps.

[Ticj]

Yeah because that ilvl 910 players is surely gonna make the kill multitudes slower..

I mean that's not the issue really thought, it's pretty crappy that someone is using random PUG players to make a quick buck without at least letting the other players know about it.


It just seems kind of scummy to me.

[Sansnom]

Get some friends / fellow helpers, pay them up and do it yourself! Don't be a greedy little fuck and expect others to do the work for you - for FREE

I did not realize playing this game was actually working.

[gobio]

Reputation of raid leader matters.
Good leader are added to friend list.
Bad leader are added to another list.
After like 10+ cd on 2 characters, this is not a thing.

[Deleted]

But what would be the purpose of this? People want to earn gold and people want to be boosted, or, people want to provide a service and people want to purchase a service, as long as it is all done in game using in-game with in game currency then its not against the rules.

The simple fact is, if you want to dictate the terms of a group, you have to be the leader, don't want to be the leader then it's someone else's rules.

that is good if all involed agree and get something out of it. But they don't, their skills are beeing sold off. Without any reward and the guy who is leading them is misleading them.

and by misleading them i mean he didnt state that this is a boost run which he is selling, And the rest are just there for a kill and to help him get paided.