White Family Beats Down 2 Police Officers. Miraculously, No One Gets Shot

[Cizr]

Is their community being monitored and patrolled to the same degree by law enforcement for the past 60 years?

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So you're implying that blacks are just more inherently violent? Nice 19th century rhetoric you got there.

Is their community more violent and prone to homicide so that they deserve extra monitoring from law enforcement? No

[Machismo]

The amount of total population does not matter. Only the amount that commits crimes matter, because they are the ones that will interact with the police
But you probably knew that already and you are just trolling

And when all that is taken to account, blacks are more likely to be contacted, arrested, and have all forms of use of force, other than being shot, used against them.

So, there is a problem, people just don't want to see it.

[Draco-Onis]

"According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for African Americans was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher."

That's from wikipedia. Homicide is the right crime to look at because the data can't really be manipulated as easily.

You can take two approaches

1. Look at the causes for this data from poverty rates, more scrutiny by police, social economic causes to laws that punish the poor and often lead to false convictions.

or

2. Black people are just more likely to be violent criminal thugs.

something tells me that you prefer #2 and nothing I say will change your mind.

[Ret4resto]

https://www.theroot.com/why-we-never...wer-1819092337

It should also be noted that blacks commit more violent crimes per capita then whites, thus the higher rate of being shot by cops per capita.

P.S. the article linked is just to show how the site contradicts itself.

it should also be noted that a disenfranchised group experiencing employment disparities, housing disparities, and educational disparities, will have higher crime rates than a group of people that don’t share those same experiences. Just like some of you should’ve taken statistics 101, the same ones could’ve also enrolled in psych/sociology101.

But I guess it’s easier to ignore the underlying problems and instead paint a “black people are just more violent” narrative because that doesn’t take any real effort.

[Daelak]

Was just responding to a post that claims African Americans do not commit more crimes than whites do, which is blatantly false.

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No he's not. He's just stating a fact that is relevant to the discussion at hand. Not the cause.

This is classic misdirection - for using facts you get called racist.

But spouting crime facts void of historical context is meaningless, that easily plays into arguments that have been made by white segregationists for hundreds of years.

You can't face the reality of the situation because it destroys your worldview that blacks are inherently more prone to crime.
A crime has to be reported and a charge levied. Is this you assuming blacks are just more prone to criminality, for specious reasons?

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Is their community more violent and prone to homicide so that they deserve extra monitoring from law enforcement? No

Why would they be prone to violence? They've never been isolated and excluded from society.

[Cûr]

The Root is fucking racists so what do you expect

That site is so disgusting to any rational thinking human being. It's an echo chamber of the worst sorts. Sadly most of it's core audience don't see it.

[Deleted]

Kinda surprised. I imagine most police would've pulled their gun out when their partner was choked unconscious, black or white. All races have been shot for much, much less.

[TheSerialSniper]

it should also be noted that a disenfranchised group experiencing employment disparities, housing disparities, and educational disparities, will have higher crime rates than a group of people that don’t share those same experiences. Just like some of you should’ve taken statistics 101, the same ones could’ve also enrolled in psych/sociology101.

But I guess it’s easier to ignore the underlying problems and instead paint a “black people are just more violent” narrative because that doesn’t take any real effort.

That was explained in the article I linked and I agree with you. It's money and privilege that matter, not color.

[Sliske]

You are really just beyond clueless. Must be nice to not have to worry about getting beat by police by just being in proximity. The first thing anyone I know thinks of when they see a police officer (my friends are scientists, engineers, teachers, business owners, all of color however) is to turn the other way and make sure the children are safe.

You and your friends sound severely mentally deranged. You need to go to the Dr ASAP and ask for some Diazapam or Pregabalin or some shit. If you're having panic attacks and fearing for your lives at the sight of cops when you've never even had a negative interaction with them, you're beyond the pale. You've been corrupted by propaganda to such a degree that you now view cops as 'the others.'

You probably actually view cop's lives as less than 'regular humans'.

[Daedius]

Lots of white people get killed by cops too, so.... @OP's thread agenda of race baiting.

And lol@names, Beverly? Sounds so cliche'd for Hillbillies.

[8bithamster]

holy.. I never saw such an obvious attempt at "Omg race war yo!"

if that's what you call news, yikes..

[Cizr]

But spouting crime facts void of historical context is meaningless, that easily plays into arguments that have been made by white segregationists for hundreds of years.

You can't face the reality of the situation because it destroys your worldview that blacks are inherently more prone to crime.
A crime has to be reported and a charge levied. Is this you assuming blacks are just more prone to criminality, for specious reasons?

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Why would they be prone to violence? They've never been isolated and excluded from society.

I dont know but thats something you can see from statistics

[Deleted]

More black people are shot and killed by the police every year, not white people.

I have 600 sheeps but slaughter 100
I have 100 chickens but slaughter 50

More chickens are killed per capita than sheeps, but if you flunked out of statistics 101 and just look at raw numbers without considering the size of each population than of course your “more white people are killed by the police so let’s ignore the racial bias that is directed at black people” argument would be factual, but it’s not.

In before people quote me saying race card, sjw, liberal snowflake and other dumb shit people on here use to deflect instead of acknowledge the problem .

And more black people commit violent crimes in the US, per capita. So I think an objective measure of racism would be people shot / Number of violent crimes.

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What passes for modern journalism:

1. Choose narrative.
2. Cherry pick specific, potentially isolated incidents that match narrative.

This article is an attempt to make sweeping generalizations based on one incident. It's stupid. Ignore it.

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"According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for African Americans was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher."

That's from wikipedia. Homicide is the right crime to look at because the data can't really be manipulated as easily.

Not to mention that in counts Hispanics as White.

[Ret4resto]

And more black people commit violent crimes in the US, per capita. So I think an objective measure of racism would be people shot / Number of violent crimes.

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Not to mention that in counts Hispanics as White.

myself and others have already addressed your feeble and overused retort.

I’m not going to do it again.

[Deleted]

myself and others have already addressed your feeble and overused retort.

I’m not going to do it again.

Feeble retort ? I am not talking about the number of interactions with the police, but the number of violent crimes, which has nothing to do with scrutiny or police perception. I find it understandable that a subset of the total population that is more violent (we are talking in average, and this has more to do with culture than race but w/e) is more likely to get shot.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ables/table-21
This table puts Hispanics as White, which is 72.4% of the total population if I can trust this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_a..._United_States
whereas black people are 12.6% of the total population. Which means black people are about 6 times as likely to commit murder than whites and hispanics. And 3 times more likely to rape etc... So being 2.8 times more likely to be shot isn't "racist".

I honestly think BLM and co are mistaken : Policemen are not perticularly racist, they are just violent and trigger happy in general, with overinflated egos. They don't really care about human lives, black or white, only their own lives.


EDIT : If it is an overused argument (I wouldn't know) maybe it is because it is a good argument ? People are not going to say something entirely different just for the sake of variety ? Understand that as an outsider I have no horse in this race (lol) and I looked at statistics with an open mind to try to spot systemic racism. I had no preconceived ideas. I am just looking to find the truth, but you seem to be only trying to defend some kind of agenda.

The difference between you and me is that I would change my mind in the face of adverse evidence.

[Draco-Onis]

<Pounds head against desk>

Here is all that happened:

Someone made a claim that is clearly not true.
Others (including myself) corrected the claim.
That was grounds for others to make claims about our worldview and imply we are racist

My worldview: let’s start out by looking at what the facts are versus what we want them to be. We can definitely have a discussion about racial inequality. Here’s where I’d start - and none of these are bold claims:

1. In large part it is caused by hundreds of years of discrimination.
2. It is deeply entrenched and might not self correct as society gets less racist.
3. Genetics/racial superiority arguments are stupid. Skin color is a minor genetic attribute that stupid people use to try to infer way too much.
4. Perhaps the most controversial of my claims: we need to focus on facts and try to be neutral about the facts we use.

One of the significant challenges of debate today is this fundamental disregard of facts by both sides. It’s impossible to debate an issue when people on both sides disregard inconvenient factual information. If you read my post earlier I specifically mentioned homicide and there’s a good reason for that: homicide is among the most accurately reported crimes because it’s hard to massage the stats: you can pretend an assault didn’t be happen but with homicide you can’t pretend a person is alive. It’s my attempt to use a neutral stat.

We can debate about causes, etc. once people agreeing facts.

Except I wasn't talking about the raw data but the underlying causes.

[Deleted]

<Pounds head against desk>

Here is all that happened:

Someone made a claim that is clearly not true.
Others (including myself) corrected the claim.
That was grounds for others to make claims about our worldview and imply we are racist

My worldview: let’s start out by looking at what the facts are versus what we want them to be. We can definitely have a discussion about racial inequality. Here’s where I’d start - and none of these are bold claims:

1. In large part it is caused by hundreds of years of discrimination.
2. It is deeply entrenched and might not self correct as society gets less racist.
3. Genetics/racial superiority arguments are stupid. Skin color is a minor genetic attribute that stupid people use to try to infer way too much.
4. Perhaps the most controversial of my claims: we need to focus on facts and try to be neutral about the facts we use.

One of the significant challenges of debate today is this fundamental disregard of facts by both sides. It’s impossible to debate an issue when people on both sides disregard inconvenient factual information. If you read my post earlier I specifically mentioned homicide and there’s a good reason for that: homicide is among the most accurately reported crimes because it’s hard to massage the stats: you can pretend an assault didn’t be happen but with homicide you can’t pretend a person is alive. It’s my attempt to use a neutral stat.

We can debate about causes, etc. once people agreeing facts.

Agreed, and while there may be very good reasons for the statistics, that doesn't change how the police will react to them. You can't expect them to shoot less at murderers because of past segregation and discrimination, that's ridiculous.

Cops are more likely to kill armed murderers/robbers etc regardless of race. And that's perfectly normal (well they kill way too many people in general but this has nothing to do with racism). Do you want them to shoot more at tax evaders and speeders to prove they aren't racist ?

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Except I wasn't talking about the raw data but the underlying causes.

But that's the whole point ! Even if there are very good explanations as to why black people commit more crime (and there are) it doesn't matter one bit when looking at these statistics to determine whether cops are racist or not... Cops will shoot at someone who is violent and armed, even if this person had a terrible childhood or whatever, and that's the way it should be !!

You don't solve these problems by pretending the cops are racist when they shoot thugs...

[cuafpr]

unless these responding officers have been in the exact same situation and shot killed a black person the article is mute. What one cop does on call =/= what all cops would do. Some are more willing to risk their lives than others. Take myself for example, i have borderline phobia of large dogs due to a childhood attack, if i was a cop a large dog lunged/growled at me i'd be more likely to shoot it than a cop that was a dog lover. That said from the "story" and "Facts" i would have ok had these cops killed these idiots.

[Knolan]

Thank god this author has the power to look into alternative universes and for that she knows that in the universe where those people are black they were shot and killed.

[Machismo]

This likely falls into the category of being an observational outlier. We have far more data to go by.

As for these officers, they should have never let it get that out of hand.