The Alliance Hates Goblins

[Super Dickmann]

Except the Alliance relies heavily on a handful of Goblin agents working for SI:7. SI:7s incompetence is piss poor writing and not the fault one way or another of these goblin agents. So, no, they really don't.

"My best friends are goblins, I swear, officer, ignore those dead sunbathers and crispy goblins over in Zuldazar."

[Venziir]

The whole Dark Iron genocide on the Goblins is a gigantic warcrime that is played off as a lighthearted joke.

Yes, sure there is a similar quest about killing Gnomes in Uldir, but those Gnomes are not in the Alliance, they're sandgnomes and might not even be on the same level of sentience.

They are Alliance gnomes, but cursed by a titan artifact

[TheRagebear]

Actually, in a way, she does. Sylvanas absolutely wants peace and security for the Horde. It is pretty much her number 1 priority. And the best way to secure that is to be sufficiently powerful that your enemies (here's looking at you Genn) are incapable of challenging you. I don't think any nation in history has ever achieved peace and security by being weak and submissive. You achieve peace by being strong and demanding it, not by being weak and begging for it.

She wants peace and security for the Horde, so her chosen course is to attack the Alliance lead by Anduin. Ignoring that the Alliance is in a superior position pre-BfA why would to attack Azeroth's Aryan Gandhi if you wanted peace? Just tell Anduin you want peace and he'd probably nut just hearing those words.

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Explain how alliance hates goblins?

it's in the thread title lol

[Mehrunes]

She wants peace and security for the Horde, so her chosen course is to attack the Alliance lead by Anduin. Ignoring that the Alliance is in a superior position pre-BfA why would to attack Azeroth's Aryan Gandhi if you wanted peace? Just tell Anduin you want peace and he'd probably nut just hearing those words.

Why on earth would the Alliance be in a superior position to the Horde prior to BfA even without counting the Horde having a head-start in regards to Azerite? And Anduin is not genuine about peace in the slightest. If he was he would not outright inform Sylvanas the Gathering is not an attempt at peace. And he would punish Genn and Rogers for acting against that peace, by breaking his orders no less. Instead he merely gave them a talk and then brought Genn to the Gathering to flaunt his real attitude towards peace right in Sylvanas' face.

[Super Dickmann]

Why on earth would the Alliance be in a superior position to the Horde prior to BfA even without counting the Horde having a head-start in regards to Azerite? And Anduin is not genuine about peace in the slightest. If he was he would not outright inform Sylvanas the Gathering is not an attempt at peace. And he would punish Genn and Rogers for acting against that peace, by breaking his orders no less. Instead he merely gave them a talk and then brought Genn to the Gathering to flaunt his real attitude towards peace right in Sylvanas' face.

We know for a fact that Anduin really means for peace because we're privy to his internal narration. Cut out the internal narration depicting just how perfect that little shit is and the book is already massively improved. That said, intentionally or not, he's extremely incompetent at establishing peace.

[Eazy]

More like. Alliance hate Horde

Exactly, there's no races from the Horde that Alliance doesn't hate(and vice versa).

[Vargrik]

Rightfully so. Goblins are by far the most despicable race in this game. They remind me of everything I despise IRL.

[Mehrunes]

We know for a fact that Anduin really means for peace because we're privy to his internal narration. Cut out the internal narration depicting just how perfect that little shit is and the book is already massively improved. That said, intentionally or not, he's extremely incompetent at establishing peace.

Except it is his internal narration through which we learn that he decided to do jack shit about Alliance members that acted against the peace he supposedly cares so much about. So his internal narration is subject to cognitive dissonance. As such what is left is to look at his actual actions which I mentioned above. And those actions scream not genuine peace.

[Super Dickmann]

Except it is his internal narration through which we learn that he decided to do jack shit about Alliance members that acted against the peace he supposedly cares so much about. So his internal narration is subject to cognitive dissonance. As such what is left is to look at his actual actions which I mentioned above. And those actions scream not genuine peace.

That's because the writers are incompetent, but the authorial intent is obviously to show that Anduin means well. The letter itself shows this - it's meant to show Anduin as this competent, diplomatic wise beyond his years leader, but the text is so disjointed it can't even decide if there's a war going on or not.

[mysticx]

Except it is his internal narration through which we learn that he decided to do jack shit about Alliance members that acted against the peace he supposedly cares so much about. So his internal narration is subject to cognitive dissonance. As such what is left is to look at his actual actions which I mentioned above. And those actions scream not genuine peace.

Either that, or in some insufficiently-shown way, Anduin means well, but other people are tired of seeking peace with the Horde and are doing their own thing when out of range of Anduin’s holier-than-thou aura, much like the Stormheim quests, in fact...

I can sympathize with that, Anduin’s peace-schtick is all well and good, but all the conflicts with the Horde (Over the 30 or so years since the orcs first came through the dark portal) are still fresh in people’s memories, you don’t erase all that with one boy king’s optimism.

[StationaryHawk]

Idk why can't people understand this. A faction who sees no problem in using WMDs is mining a very very powerful substance and with their leader being someone who never sees any limit in using any kind of weapons, anyone with a bit of IQ knows that you should not let them to become this substance and according to the datamined dialogues horde used an azerite weapon during Teldrassil.

The point remains that, should it have been the Alliance that found Azerite first and the Horde that slaughtered their miners, people would wonder why Sylvanas didn't attempt to resolve the situation peacefully.

Instead, the Alliance is justified because "The Horde deserved it."

Exactly, there's no races from the Horde that Alliance doesn't hate(and vice versa).

Tell that to Anduin and Baine.

[Tabrotar]

Actually, in a way, she does. Sylvanas absolutely wants peace and security for the Horde. It is pretty much her number 1 priority. And the best way to secure that is to be sufficiently powerful that your enemies (here's looking at you Genn) are incapable of challenging you. I don't think any nation in history has ever achieved peace and security by being weak and submissive. You achieve peace by being strong and demanding it, not by being weak and begging for it.

Her so called peace includes killing all living being to serve unde rher...

[Hubbl3]

Her so called peace includes killing all living being to serve unde rher...

That is peace.

[Super Dickmann]

All topics ultimately become Sylvanas topics.

[mysticx]

All topics ultimately become Sylvanas topics.

It’s the Godwin’s law for WoW forums. :3

[Tabrotar]

That is peace.

So then nobody can complain if the Alliance will wipe out the Horde then good to know.

Now the only thing we have to do is make Jaina the new head of the Alliance then let the fun begin.

[Diggsworth]

Goblins are no more people than lalafells are people.

I wonder how long it will take for people to get that reference...

At least lalas serve a dual purpose as a foodstuff.

[Blizzard Moneybot]

because the alliance immediately jumps to the "Kill the workers" plan, without attempting contact. Something they do later on for things like Forsaken meeting their families.

They did attempt contact, it was the following:
Hey what you doing there Horde?
*Horde mobs aggro*

"No, really, officer, I have nothing against goblins, my best friend is a goblin!"

Alliance employs goblins, Alliance =/= hate goblins.

[Makorus]

They did attempt contact, it was the following:
Hey what you doing there Horde?
*Horde mobs aggro*

Alliance employs goblins, Alliance =/= hate goblins.

The first two quests in Silithus are "Destroy their Shredders" and "Kill them and take their Azerite".