Give us back Guard..

[Gorsameth]

The problem with Zen Meditation isn't that it doesn't fit the class fantasy, it's that it's useless for Tanks as it'll break as soon as you activate it because the boss melee'd you.

Enough big boss hits have a cast time that allow it to be used. It's niche but has its uses.

[Super Kami Dende]

I really hope you're not serious. It's not comparable in any way to MoP or WoD Guard. Soul Barrier in legion provided similar numbers to prydaz or AHR. Comparing it to old guard is laughable. Soul Barrier was only taken on fights with adds because of the minimum absorb amount, as a flat absorb it was laughable compared to the other choices. The new Soul Barrier which is a better one time absorb but lacks the minimum amount it used to have is also nothing special and will once again only be used to counter magic burst.

Also for the record with the "no shit sherlock" you might want to word your posts properly if you actually knew that. Seeing as you claim they gave SB to VDH 1 expansion AFTER removing guard, that expansion would be BFA. Just saying.

It's an Absorb, that uses resources on a relatively low CD. It is comparable. Protip: Comparable =/= same.

BrM Had Guard in WoD. They didn't in Legion (outside of PvP which isn't the discussion). VDH had Soul Barrier in Legion. Legion is literally an expansion later than WoD. hence the "no shit Sherlock" It was worded fine. stop being arrogant and just accept when you are wrong.

[Tech614]

just accept when you are wrong.

I will the second you explain how an absord of literally 1/10th of the value is comparable to Guard.

Soul Barrier such a great talent in legion that VDH almost never used! Yea! Fuck them OP VDH for getting our Guard!

LOL

For the record Guard was removed in Legion.

An expansion later is BFA.

But lets be honest, you knew that already and legit thought SB was new in BFA because it might actually be used now, so you know it exists.

[Tauguy]

I will the second you explain how an absord of literally 1/10th of the value is comparable to Guard.

Soul Barrier such a great talent in legion that VDH almost never used! Yea! Fuck them OP VDH for getting our Guard!

LOL

For the record Guard was removed in Legion.

An expansion later is BFA.

But lets be honest, you knew that already and legit thought SB was new in BFA because it might actually be used now, so you know it exists.

Changed to Honor Talent In Pre Patch

[Deleted]

Various things to expect next build:

New talent: Guard (replacing Elusive Dance on L100). "Guard against future attacks, causing the next X damage you Stagger to instead be prevented." 30s cooldown.
(The Guard Honor Talent will be renamed).

this sounds just to perfect to be true

[Tech614]

Changed to Honor Talent In Pre Patch

Now this is a real no shit sherlock moment right here.

In case you're wondering you're also losing exploding keg in the bfa pre patch

In what universe do we consider pre patches part of the previous expansion and not just getting the servers ready for the next? You know all that serious broken content farming happening! Serious game!

[Julmara]

they palced it in the wrong tier shoud have kicked healing elexirs out

[Tech614]

they palced it in the wrong tier shoud have kicked healing elexirs out

Negative.

If Guard becomes a meta talent I would rather have the option of having it AND DH or it AND lego ring then just it. Elusive Dance is a boring talent anyways(so is high tolerance, wouldn't mind seeing it get replaced either).

[Julmara]

Negative.

If Guard becomes a meta talent I would rather have the option of having it AND DH or it AND lego ring then just it. Elusive Dance is a boring talent anyways(so is high tolerance, wouldn't mind seeing it get replaced either).

i dont wanna lose combo this talent is way to much fun and healing elixirs is an afk talent anyway

[dcc626]

i dont wanna lose combo this talent is way to much fun and healing elixirs is an afk talent anyway

with the nerf to BoC and losing tiger palm trait, BoC is pretty much niche use as a stagger pause.

[keqe]

The legendary ring talent with Elusive Dance could have been quite good though. Unless HT was needed for a fight it was quite good talent pick for once.

It's interesting the lvl 100 row is getting a non-dps increasing talent when during legion they gave haste to HT with the reason it was the only talent without damage increase on the row.

inb4 haste removed from HT

[Deleted]

This talent being in the same row as HT and combo and absorbing only staggered hits makes it likely not usable.
The tuning would have to be ridiculous to consider that over the other talents in this row, also absorbing the staggered part makes it awkward, when you can double purify a hit and it's pretty much the same result.
Guard doesn't really fit in the current monk design(which was clearly made with the idea of removing guard in the first place) , and bringing back a really conservative version of it like this one seems like a shy attempt to please people who begged to bring it back despite it being incompatible with having a really high stagger making absorbs way less valuable.

Maybe I didn't understand your point about high stagger correctly, but it sounds like this iteration of Guard doesn't interact with our current stagger but instead reduces/absorbs additional/new stagger up to a certain amount. This makes it a damage reduction spell on a quite short CD, which (depending on tuning) could be really interesting.

[Julmara]

with the nerf to BoC and losing tiger palm trait, BoC is pretty much niche use as a stagger pause.

ojeah totaly forget that we lost this trait thank you for reminding me

[kran1um]

I liked and like guard. Its something, but as someone said earlier, its a 2x purify basically. I dont know about the rest but I would like an IP, Bulwark, Blood shield, spirit, frenzied rejuv - anything to where I can solo something, hell WW can solo better than my BrM. Guard shouldnt be a part of a stagger mechanic, just make it a bubble.

[dcc626]

I liked and like guard. Its something, but as someone said earlier, its a 2x purify basically. I dont know about the rest but I would like an IP, Bulwark, Blood shield, spirit, frenzied rejuv - anything to where I can solo something, hell WW can solo better than my BrM. Guard shouldnt be a part of a stagger mechanic, just make it a bubble.

maybe we should actually wait until they implement it this week to see what it is before we ask them to give us something else.

also, frenzied regen is garbage now. not sure why you would want that.