Blizzard changing old lore for modern lore

[Dalheim]

This whole bongdaggle with Tyrande not recognising the Orcs could be because Rhonin had not been sent back in time yet..

Rhonin and Krasus weren't sent back until after the Third War, and thus the altered timeline hadn't occured yet.. Yeah, that's time fuckery for you.

[Syegfryed]

The old excuse made less sense than the new one, as it would mean the same myth sprang up in both places and means the same thing. If you want convenience, that's where it's at, not people adapting old words for new purposes.

whats the problem? different cultures around the world share the same myth of fantastic reptilian creatures, dragons, there is no much problem if the world is also different

[Super Dickmann]

whats the problem? different cultures around the world share the same myth of fantastic reptilian creatures, dragons, there is no much problem if the world is also different

Yes, but these beliefs vary significantly even on the same planet where the same species is present. A chinese dragon is not a western dragon and what a western dragon is has changed a lot over time. Fewer hoops are jumped if an old term is repurposed for something new people encounter. Even more so because dragons actually exist on Azeroth and don't on Draenor so it would make even less sense.

[Eazy]

The eredar were once the ones who corrupted Sargeras, but that was changed to the shit with the void lords.

Weren't they Nathrezim? Not eredar?

Dude they literally retconned GOD out of Warcraft setting, it doesn't get any bigger than that.

Care to elaborate? I'm insterested.

[Syegfryed]

Yes, but these beliefs vary significantly even on the same planet where the same species is present. A chinese dragon is not a western dragon and what a western dragon is has changed a lot over time. Fewer hoops are jumped if an old term is repurposed for something new people encounter. Even more so because dragons actually exist on Azeroth and don't on Draenor so it would make even less sense.

its not the same creature, sure, but don't matter at all, what matter is the idea, what a dragon is? a reptilian gigantic creature, terrific, a "beast", they have different names, but the idea is the same.

The dragonmawn could be named "whereverthefuckistheorchishmnameforgiganticreptliandragonlikecreature mawn" in draenor, with the idea of a generic dragon, then in azeroth, this name in common would mean dragon, in a poor translation, and they start using "dragon" because of the azeroth dragons

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Weren't they Nathrezim? Not eredar?

Eredar, the natherzim retcon was about first they following sargeras then Sargeras slaving then, don't even remember what is the canon

[Venziir]

it is too convenient, also is lazy as fuck "ah it was named this, because of this and they are all the same, so fit for the dragons too"

honestly the old excuse was much better, for orcs, like "real" humans, dragons was a fictional creature, so, they put their name about that

The original explanation was that Metzen came up with the name in the 90's and thought it was awesome, it wasn't until later that they realized that "woops, it makes no sense since Draenor didn't have dragons!", then decided to ignore that for a couple of years and then come up with a reasonable'ish explanation

[Syegfryed]

The original explanation was that Metzen came up with the name in the 90's and thought it was awesome, it wasn't until later that they realized that "woops, it makes no sense since Draenor didn't have dragons!", then decided to ignore that for a couple of years and then come up with a reasonable'ish explanation

i know that, the first excuse was because they (orcs) share the idea of dragons, so the clan name was after that, a coincidence but so was the blackrock clan and the blackrock mountain

the second excuse, is worse imo

[Super Dickmann]

its not the same creature, sure, but don't matter at all, what matter is the idea, what a dragon is? a reptilian gigantic creature, terrific, a "beast", they have different names, but the idea is the same.

The dragonmawn could be named "whereverthefuckistheorchishmnameforgiganticreptliandragonlikecreature mawn" in draenor, with the idea of a generic dragon, then in azeroth, this name in common would mean dragon, in a poor translation, and they start using "dragon" because of the azeroth dragons

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Eredar, the natherzim retcon was about first they following sargeras then Sargeras slaving then, don't even remember what is the canon

But the above is what the new explanation is. They had different terms for beasts, and when they moved to Azeroth they applied it to dragons, so now they're the Dragonmaw. The original explanation didn't exist.

[The Stormbringer]

The original explanation was that Metzen came up with the name in the 90's and thought it was awesome, it wasn't until later that they realized that "woops, it makes no sense since Draenor didn't have dragons!", then decided to ignore that for a couple of years and then come up with a reasonable'ish explanation

Honestly, they should've just said, "Well the clan name was X but when they came through and saw dragons, they changed their name because they were just SO BADASS!"

[Syegfryed]

But the above is what the new explanation is. They had different terms for beasts, and when they moved to Azeroth they applied it to dragons, so now they're the Dragonmaw. The original explanation didn't exist.

they have a name for rylak, then they start using the name for dragons

the clan was name in a way then the name was changed

rylaks are not nearly close a dragons

this could be solved with the first excuse, or create damn dragons in draenor, or making rylaks more reptilian

[Venziir]

i know that, the first excuse was because they (orcs) share the idea of dragons, so the clan name was after that, a coincidence but so was the blackrock clan and the blackrock mountain

the second excuse, is worse imo

Oh yeah the Blackrock debacle! I'd forgotten about that, yeah that one was dreadful too "Oh, you have a Blackrock Mountain too! Funny, so do we!"

[The Stormbringer]

i know that, the first excuse was because they (orcs) share the idea of dragons, so the clan name was after that, a coincidence but so was the blackrock clan and the blackrock mountain

the second excuse, is worse imo

Then they retconned Blackrock being an Ore that existed on Draenor, thus the 'Blackrock Clan' since they were smiths who used it.

[Venziir]

they have a name for rylak, then they start using the name for dragons

the clan was name in a way then the name was changed

rylaks are not nearly close a dragons

this could be solved with the first excuse, or create damn dragons in draenor, or making rylaks more reptilian

Funny thing, was that WoD had a billion fairy DRAGONS but no Dragonmaw Clan.....

[Syegfryed]

Oh yeah the Blackrock debacle! I'd forgotten about that, yeah that one was dreadful too "Oh, you have a Blackrock Mountain too! Funny, so do we!"

yeah, but honestly, this was not that bad, the coincidence actually make up interesting stuff, the reason why the blackrock clan wanted the mountain so badly, how they saw that as good omen

Funny thing, was that WoD had a billion fairy DRAGONS but no Dragonmaw Clan.....

exactly, i think they said something about no having time to portrait all clans, and how they chose tos tick with those

but what can we say wod was a bit of a mess

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Then they retconned Blackrock being an Ore that existed on Draenor, thus the 'Blackrock Clan' since they were smiths who used it.

i think before wod they said they had also a blackrock mountain, before the lore about the ore, could be wrong, but is what i member

[Trassk]

Heres another example. I remember reading one of the earlier warcraft novels, I think it was tides of darkness, where once the horde made its way to lordearon, Gul'dan looked to claiming the power of sargeras for his own when learning of his tomb.

He sailed across the ocean to find the tome, and raised it from the ocean using his magics.

This is how the broken isles came into it.



and this is how his tomb looked.



Now you could make the argument that maybe it was simply the broken shore he raised from the depths, but if that were the case why then was the tomb, clearly shaped from night elves architecture, having a bridge connected to the palace of suramar across the bay between them?

This really feels like half arsed attempts at trying to have some elements of the old lore in, but only meeting halfway and saying 'ah screw it, who plays wc3 or reads the old novels now anyway?"

[bison91]

Because players are more veterans then blizzard employees them selves, coz we know every corner and they are forgetting their own storyline. kOrgath it was supposed to be and not kargath

[Schattenlied]

But then again it is most likely a bronze flight intervention as they were the ones sending the trio in the past.

Very good point, they do have a habit of erasing people's memories.

[Blizzard Moneybot]

This whole bongdaggle with Tyrande not recognising the Orcs could be because Rhonin had not been sent back in time yet..

Rhonin and Krasus weren't sent back until after the Third War, and thus the altered timeline hadn't occured yet.. Yeah, that's time fuckery for you.

That's not how it works though. If you alter the past you either change the entirety of the timeline from the point in the past you arrived on, or you create a new timeline separate from the original where new events transpire. Either way, Tyrande should've recognised the race of someone whom they made a statue of, and would've been more reasonable to join the Horde as a result. Knaak went and fucked it all up because we need to have Night Elves worshiping a bloody orc along with HUMAN POTENTIAL instead of holding their own. The lore went to hell when they started letting massive retcons occur that make the rest of the story completely bullshit. There is no standardisation, even LESS so with Metzen and the other originals gone from the dev team. Just shitty fanfics by human and horde lovers

whats the problem? different cultures around the world share the same myth of fantastic reptilian creatures, dragons, there is no much problem if the world is also different

That is because dinosaur, marine reptile and other ancient creatures of fantastic sizes have fossils that can be found all over the world, giving rise to all these legends.

[Venziir]

Because players are more veterans then blizzard employees them selves, coz we know every corner and they are forgetting their own storyline. kOrgath it was supposed to be and not kargath

Korgath or Kargath, well if you actually read the Warcraft 2 BTDP manual, you'll realize that the manual mostly called him KArgath, though it did call him KOrgath a few times too, where as the game refered to him as Korgath. So that was Blizzard's own mistake, and they chose to go with Kargath instead of Korgath.

Same goes for Kurdran's gryphon Sky'ree, which is called both Sky'ree and Sky'rie throughout the manual

http://www.abandonia.com/files/extra...l_-_Manual.pdf "KARGATH BLADEFIST
"A razor-sharp scythe setting in place of his severed left hand, Kargath is
always willing to engage in frenzied combat. His ruthless tactics and
single-mindedness have earned him the Chieftainship of the feared Shattered Hand
clan. Like Hellscream, Kargath waits only for the time his clan is unleashed upon
the unsuspecting humans to engage in massive bloodshed. "

And then later further down the pages:

"SHATTERED HAND CLAN
Leader: Korgath Bladefist
Color: White "

[Syegfryed]

That is because dinosaur, marine reptile and other ancient creatures of fantastic sizes have fossils that can be found all over the world, giving rise to all these legends.

i know that, and draenor have his own quota of gigantic reptilians and dinosaurs

so