Congress moves to ban child sex robots favored by pedophiles

[Themius]

I support such a law. No reason to allow something which can lead to some scum acts against children. After all, it is already illegal to even possess child videos and photo pornography. Which of itself is a media form of child abuse.

Except when we have studies from several countries that show that restricting things like porn and simulations lead to more child victims.

So what do you care more about?

[msdos]

Nice "holy crap, we're scared of technology!!!" twitch knee jerk, it's to be expected with the gentrified political system we have.
In order for a measure like this to really be effective (this is a bandaid), you also need to do something along the lines of ban the internet and ban immigrants from countries where the age of consent laws are 12 or 14 and below.

It's like plugging a small hole in a damn with one finger while there is a giant hole right in front of you. Better than doing nothing I suppose. (Maybe someday they'll actually try to address people's mental health in this country.)

[Raelbo]

And norms change. Thankfully society seems to be moving towards fully grown adults who are attracted to teenagers are creeps.

Here I will disagree with you. People do not choose what/who they are attracted to. What we choose is who we make sexual advances on. Society should, absolutely, not be judging people on who they are attracted to, but on their actions.

If someone is attracted to children, then that is something that society should help them manage in order to prevent that attraction from translating into the sexual advances on children.

[Themius]

No reason really just wanna see them mutilated, though i agree that i rather have them fuck a doll/robot then a kid.

And you don't see how you're sick yourself?

There was an 18 year old pedophile who was trying to get support and awareness out becuase he wanted help but how can you get help when no one wants to help you and have a violent reaction to you?

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But it can lead to and encourage it for real victims. I understand the difference between photos and videos and dolls. But we should be doing what we can within reason to discourage such behavior. And this law is a reasonable one.

Except it never has... it can lead to more real victims I think... though nothing actually points to that actually points to the opposite. is what you're saying

[Themius]

Because being attracted to children is different than someone liking to watch kinky porn.

Being attracted to children is different from being attracted to see people be raped? There are literally rape porn sites that simulate rape.

[Ghostpanther]

Except when we have studies from several countries that show that restricting things like porn and simulations lead to more child victims.

So what do you care more about?

Studies can be biased. Depends on who is doing them, the subject and the agenda of those who paid for it.

I care about the law being passed. Write your congressman and show your support for child sex toys if you want.

[ParanoiD84]

And you don't see how you're sick yourself?

There was an 18 year old pedophile who was trying to get support and awareness out becuase he wanted help but how can you get help when no one wants to help you and have a violent reaction to you?

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Except it never has... it can lead to more real victims I think... though nothing actually points to that actually points to the opposite. is what you're saying

Cutting your dick abit is not the end of the world. Im sure there is plenty who struggles with the thoughts and i hope they get some help.

[derpkitteh]

i don't agree with this. i'm a firm believer that if you can have a safe outlet to express yourself on, that's not hurting anyone, then you should be able to have it.

we should embrace these sex dolls and lolicon hentai to treat their problem until we can learn to fix their brains so that they're no longer attracted to children.

[Mifuyne]

Just to save you time and sanity, Josuke here first joined the forum to spread the gospel that one has to first ask for consent to have sexual thoughts about another person (never mind that asking for consent to have sexual thoughts about someone already requires some level of sexual thoughts about that person or one would have no drive or motive to ask for it in the first place, making the idea illogical as fuck), because doing so without consent is almost as bad as rape. I.e. you're engaging with someone who has a, let's say, unique idea of how thoughts or attraction work. Or any other topic even tangentially related to what I just said.

Don't take the bait.

[Deleted]

Whether it can be controlled or not depends on the person, not the fetish.
Otherwise why would some people commit "ordinary" sexual assault even if there's no fetish involved. Or maybe that is the fetish?

If you're more comfortable calling it a preference we can stick with that, but it doesn't change my argument. As per your own definition of what a fetish is, I actually still think it fits pedophilia quite well. It's about a certain something that a person likes or even obsessively focuses on in sex, so why can't it be the physical characteristics of children that attract pedophiles.

Consider the Anime-Phenomenon: How often have you seen a character that looks anywhere from 4-12 years old, yet is supposedly way older than they look, usually by decades or even centuries. If such a person really existed, I'm pretty sure your usual Joe Pedo would still be attracted to it even if it's not technically a minor any more. Also: see some of those hug-pillows.

I mean have you been on the internet recently?
There all kinds of simulated porn pandering to various fetishes that, if someone went out and did that shit for real would be illegal. What matters is that it doesn't involve anybody who won't or can't consent and that nobody is really getting hurt.

Now I'll go take care of my bleeding finger, don't ever try to cut veggies and type at the same time.

I think the real distinction here is if the sexual focus is on an object or action or a person. If its on an object or a action then it is a fetish, if its on a persons certain traits then it is a sexuality. That is the best way i think i can describe it.

What i mean with "able to control it" is that you can have therapy that helps you channel your sexual energy/focus in a positive way with a fetish, with your sexuality not so much. You can find a partner that shares your fetishes and practice your fetishes in a healthy way with your partner. But you can't involve your partner into your sexuality if your partner isn't part of that sexuality. So you can find a partner that is into high heels or what ever and share that part of your fetishes with each other, but a straight person cant involve someone of the same gender in order to practice his or hers sexuality with that other person of the same gender. Just like a pedophile isn't able to get sexually aroused from another pedophile.

And, sorry about the finger, i'll try not to bother you again while you are cutting veggies ;P

[Louisa Bannon]

Something being "normal" doesn't make it right.

I dunno, this is a tough one.

In my opinion, the current law on this needs to change to err on the side of caution of trying to catch out people doing relatively normal things like wanting to or actually fucking a physically mature woman. When this has come up, I've stated that I think the age of consent should be dropped to 15 years nationwide so that there can never be any confusion on it. In my culture, not that different from the debut of young ladies at the age of 16 as being of marriageable years in the U.S., the age is set at 15. La Quinceañera is a celebration literally marking the passage from childhood to womanhood. It, or a variant, is practiced throughout Europe and much of the Americas. And no, I don't think its morally wrong to look lustfully at a woman of a naturally mature physical appearance. When nature gives her a tasty rack and a nice womanly ass - she's a woman. It's perfectly reasonable for a mature man to desire a physically mature woman. And I think the law should reflect that reasonableness instead of trying to impose some unnatural criteria onto normal, natural stuff. Certainly the law could be more lenient instead of always trying to moralize in stupid ways.

So yeah, I think the fact that its normal means its right, by the law of nature if not the laws of man. We need to remedy that disconnect. FWIW, I would never commit a criminal act in this regard. I just think society needs laws that are more consistent with nature and even social customs.

[Themius]

Studies can be biased. Depends on who is doing them, the subject and the agenda of those who paid for it.

I care about the law being passed. Write your congressman and show your support for child sex toys if you want.

The country keeps track of their child sex abuse cases they went down and up based on access to CP Down with CP up without This isn't about bias these are just stats.

[Mifuyne]

I somewhat know this already, but I'm also really stupid and argue with stupid people for no reason a lot.

I see myself agreeing with Josuke in some threads.
This however is not one.

[Mifuyne]

yeah fuck trying to be a better species than the glorified apes that we are.

It's not wrong because YOU think it's wrong.
You're like some basement dweller that probably goes "yikes" at the sight of anything sexual.

[melodramocracy]

That doesn't go far enough, IMO there needs to be further measures in dealing with these scum.

1. -Intensive behavioral modification therapy for all sex offenders.
2. -Name and picture publicly announced on TV as well as a link to their profile on a registered sex offenders website which contains current address information, not like the current system where you have to search for some obscure website to find if these creeps live in your neighborhood.
3. -Surgical castration and possibly the death penalty for repeat offenders.

Just think, people used to say this about gays.

[Themius]

I think the real distinction here is if the sexual focus is on an object or action or a person. If its on an object or a action then it is a fetish, if its on a persons certain traits then it is a sexuality. That is the best way i think i can describe it.

What i mean with "able to control it" is that you can have therapy that helps you channel your sexual energy/focus in a positive way with a fetish, with your sexuality not so much. You can find a partner that shares your fetishes and practice your fetishes in a healthy way with your partner. But you can't involve your partner into your sexuality if your partner isn't part of that sexuality. So you can find a partner that is into high heels or what ever and share that part of your fetishes with each other, but a straight person cant involve someone of the same gender in order to practice his or hers sexuality with that other person of the same gender. Just like a pedophile isn't able to get sexually aroused from another pedophile.

And, sorry about the finger, i'll try not to bother you again while you are cutting veggies ;P

Hebephilia and Ephebophilia seems to be what a lot of people fall into ephebophlia even includes people 18-19 and there are some 18-19 year olds that I swear look 14.

Pedophilia is like children but they often get conflated with the prior 2, and all called pedos even if we are talking about a 16 year old who looks like they're 25 and older than most people who are 22.

[Xilurm]

....I don't mean to insult you, but because of Josuke I honestly don't know if you're kidding....

Yeah man, I can also make a deal with my poop and make sure it goes off at the right time.

[Mifuyne]

Plenty of people think predatory sexual behaviour is wrong. Looking for those who are naive or plying them with things they want is wrong.

"plenty" of wackjobs, yes. Thought police much?
Probably feminazi's right?

Also, behaviour is action, thought is not.

[Coolthulhu]

I'm not sure taking away their outlet is a good idea, no matter how repulsive it may be. I mean, better dolls than children, no?

[Deleted]

yeah fuck trying to be a better species than the glorified apes that we are.

Hitler would be proud.