thank fuck. I hated having 6 different equip sets in CMs
Still wondering why I play this game.
I'm a Rogue and I also made a spreadsheet for the Order Hall that is updated for BfA.
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They are covering this on the livestream now
Quick answer : they view the dungeon as if it was one raid boss and they want you to make the same decision you would on a raid boss. So they want you to make the choice in talents, gear, etc. just like you would a raid boss. Balance will be done around this idea and if the success rate is too low they will adjust.
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I'm starting to not care. They promise balance every expansion and don't deliver that's my point. The problem is that they don't put the effort into to balancing. In a year the game won't be balanced and we'll end up with less choice. I'm 100% confident in this claim.
They split pvp/pve in legion and balance in both is terrible. This is just sacrificing more control in the hopes they we'll balance the game which they constantly fail to deliver on. If they do this time, Ill admit I'm wrong but they we'll probably fuck this up like they always do.
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"having to press macros is not good gameplay"
ion hazzikostas 2018
Pretty much. There will still be reasons to get extra gear sets, you just will need to make a decision about them before you start.
I think his example was phases on a raid boss. Most of the time you would love to be able to switch sets going from a single target phase to an AOE heavy phase but you can't. So before the fight starts you make those choices about what would be best overall as far as spec, talents, and gear. So basically that is how they are viewing a 5 man now, trash would be your AOE phase, boss more single target, and things like survivability will need to be thought about as well.
i think the whole one-gear-for-every-situation thing is something blizz did not take serious at all.
looking back at some gear-related "fixes":
Havoc DH full mastery gear with chaos blades on prepull -> change chaos blades to static % instead of mastery
arcane mages using old tier set on prepull for cheap arcane power buff -> disable all tiersets of older expansions.
Rune of Re-Origination and feral (the trinket was one of the best for the rest of the expansion) -> completely disabled the effect for higher lvl players
Convergence of fates for fury warrior -> propably the most nerfed item this expac, still stronger than some of the supposed-to-be-superior choices
seeing how gear changes mainstats since legion (WoD? can' remember) they are pushing the one-fits-all narrative,
while "overlooking" the fact that switching gear yields better results.
and as we know whenever a top-class player does something in a certain way, everyone has to do that or be branded a noob.
regardless of what i personally think of this change, i fear there will be more like this.
I know it wasn't just about pvp, I used it as an example. They pruned abilities and separated pvp/pve but balance is still shit. They removed snap shotting, break points and other fun mechanics but balance is still awful the problem is with them and it won't go away with this change.
It wasn't at all we asked them for years to separate both because we'd though it helped balance but it didn't because they find new ways to fuck things up. They've added things like baseline resilience and templates to increase participation. It's not irrelevant if, I'm using it as an example. We've lost a lot of mechanics in the hopes of balance but it never works out. This change won't fix it either the problem is with blizzard because we lose more and more but balance doesn't change.
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I'm not white knighting anyone, I'm a noob at the game and have no idea if this is a good or bad change. I am, however, a professional at arguing. You, however, suck at it. Hopefully someday you'll learn how to have a reasonable argument without making strawmen or ad hominems. Until then I'll occasionally put in the effort to make fun of people like you.
Well you admit to being trash at the game so that's step one. I guess I missed your professional arguing skills. All I saw was an idiot level attempt to deflect. The opinions of an LFR player don't really mean much when it comes to high end difficulty content, and a statement from a moron who googled the terms ad hominem and strawman just to repeatedly say, "hurdurr strawmanz hurrdurr ad hominem" despite getting examples relevant to the discussion has even less value. I'm sure that one semester of junior college you took to learn about debate and rhetoric make you feel empowered, but rest assured you're still an idiot and it's on display.
LOL. This BS might work on people similarly situated to you, but I just find the level of effort you're putting into this to be amazing under the circumstances. Don't you have some gear sets to make so you can enjoy swapping them out for the next month or two before that's no longer an option?
I never said it wasn't
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You can tell what sort of player I am by me being able to make an arguement from someone's perspective who doesn't use macros to swap gear in M+? By your own statement i can tell you're the type of player that isn't the target audience for WoW. M+ should be for everyone. The competitive aspect shouldn't be gated behind completing gear sets that allow you to cheese content where most of the best items won't even come from that particular content, and it certainly isn't determined by being able to click a macro if you think that's an indicator of skill then you really have no argument here.
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Exactly my argument (what it was supposed to be at least). I can also appreciate the other PoV that it limits player creativity somewhat at the very top end and make for less exciting possibilities.
Blizzard with the trash changes catering to the trash players who like to wallow in trash, while spewing trash reasoning and trying to justify their trash mentality.
"Stop overreacting! They'll balance around it!!!!". Yeah, just like they balanced specs for mythic plus in legion right? The only people for whom mythic plus was balanced were the ones who did their once a week for cache. You could bring double carries to a 15 and not worry. Try Hyrja on a 23 tyrannical and above without defensive trinkets on a non tanky dps class. Blizz never balanced no matter how skewed demographics were at the 22 and above level, what the fuck makes you think they're going to ace balance in BFA? All this is doing is making it so that the shit tier players don't feel pressured to think about how to approach the dungeon.
Look at that above, Heavy Gains. See that? I don't know if Jyggalag is right, but that's a decent argument. Your "argument" just makes people dislike you, whether you are right or not. And because of that, I'm now 90% convinced Jyg is right. 50% from what I do know about the game, and the other 40% because Jyg is coherent and logical, and not just attacking you - though I did enjoy the occasional jab from him or her.
Mythic plus is for everyone. Anyone with a pulse can do a 15, which is the cap for reward scaling. If you think that macros (which you keep bringing up like they hurt you at some point) and gear changes are the reason that higher keys are doable by what you seem to think of as tryhards, then you obviously haven't even attempted to push keys for fun, and maybe should step back for a second and think, "this argument is not for me".
The main reason to switch, Legendaries, is irrelevant now so the change is fine.
Nope. I never once brought up macros. It was put to me as a counter argument that such a macro added a layer of skill and i disagreed. I've been quoted several times since, just like you have done.
No idea where you're getting that view from that I think M+ min/maxers are tryhards. I'm an avid follower of Drjay and Method PogChamp in general, having raided with Sebsi and spent the entire opening few months of Legion pushing M+ with him. I thoroughly enjoy the M+ scene and can't wait for the invitationals. I've played since Vanilla and raided at world top 30-40 level at 4 nights/week. Can't say i'm a stranger to macros, and can't see how in any way they're in any way an indicator of player skill.