Warrior DPS - 2h VS Dual-Wield

[anon5123]

Those 99% didnt either use a swingtimer addon or made a cost / benefit analysis and came to the conclusion that dw was the better overall choice, less dps but also less headache while playing it.

Fury is less effort for similar output, that probably has something to do with it too.

Using a swingtimer is not difficult. Especially in 2018. Literally your entire rotation is just pressing 1 button every 3 seconds. That seems infinitely easier than having to manage 3 abilities + Heroic Strike.

Again, if 2h really was better, everyone would be using it. But they're not. I've never heard anything about 2h Slam being better, much less about it being "the strongest DPS spec in vanilla".

I have seen 2H furies topping metres though against similar geared DW furies.

Let me guess, on 1-minute Molten Core fights where DPS numbers are inflated by crit RNG?

[Grimreaper]

Using a swingtimer is not difficult. Especially in 2018. Literally your entire rotation is just pressing 1 button every 3 seconds. That seems infinitely easier than having to manage 3 abilities + Heroic Strike.

Again, if 2h really was better, everyone would be using it. But they're not. I've never heard anything about 2h Slam being better, much less about it being "the strongest DPS spec in vanilla".



Let me guess, on 1-minute Molten Core fights where DPS numbers are inflated by crit RNG?

How about pulling agro on Patchwerk? Would that be good enough dps for you?

You dont remember every single decent dps'er in the raid being treatcapped and having to hold back on dps for the vast majority of encounters? I'm starting to think you didnt even play vanilla...

The main reasons most warriors didnt play 2hand slam was because they didnt know about it, they WANTED to play dual-wield, or they knew they wouldnt play it above 50% efficiency. No, you dont "just press slam every third sec". There's a huge difference in timing it right, if you press Slam after the white hit has landed and shows up on your screen, you've basicly lost out on 20-25% dps.

[Gavll]

Let me guess, on 1-minute Molten Core fights where DPS numbers are inflated by crit RNG?

Yes but also over entire BWL and AQ40 clears

[anon5123]

How about pulling agro on Patchwerk? Would that be good enough dps for you?

You dont remember every single decent dps'er in the raid being treatcapped and having to hold back on dps for the vast majority of encounters? I'm starting to think you didnt even play vanilla...

If DPS were getting threatcapped, your tanks were awful.

The main reasons most warriors didnt play 2hand slam was because they didnt know about it, they WANTED to play dual-wield, or they knew they wouldnt play it above 50% efficiency.

Again, this is 2018. We're not in 2004 where nobody knows shit about the game, there are countless guides and information about every single class. If 2h slam really was "the best", then everyone would be using it.

[Grimreaper]

If DPS were getting threatcapped, your tanks were awful.

pre-1.12 patch, not really.

Again, this is 2018. We're not in 2004 where nobody knows shit about the game, there are countless guides and information about every single class. If 2h slam really was "the best", then everyone would be using it.

I'm not sure if you realise this, but vanilla ended like 12 years ago, and yes most people were still clueless at that point. Not even people in top10 guilds were using optimal talents on progress raids. The popularity of a spec does not represent the performance of it, not even close. To rephrase your last sentence: If everyone knew 2hand slam really was the best, then everyone would be using it.

[Storfan]

How about pulling agro on Patchwerk? Would that be good enough dps for you?

You dont remember every single decent dps'er in the raid being treatcapped and having to hold back on dps for the vast majority of encounters? I'm starting to think you didnt even play vanilla...

The main reasons most warriors didnt play 2hand slam was because they didnt know about it, they WANTED to play dual-wield, or they knew they wouldnt play it above 50% efficiency. No, you dont "just press slam every third sec". There's a huge difference in timing it right, if you press Slam after the white hit has landed and shows up on your screen, you've basicly lost out on 20-25% dps.

You have to take into account alliance vs horde aswell. Alliance was definitely not threatcapped, (maybe) a fire mage rolling ignites in complete Naxx-bis gear and Atiesh (assuming the tank was equally geared with Thunderfury and/or The Hungering Cold).

Horde-DPS:ers on the other hand will have threat troubles in (some) fights across all content and gearing in vanilla.

EDIT: For reference. I played an orc fury warrior in vanilla and I'm currently playing an orc fury warrior on a private 1.12.1 server with mostly naxx-bis gear+Thunderfury and I'm having threat issues on several fights such as Maexxna, Patchwerk, Gluth, Thaddius, Heigan, and some of the bosses in MC/BWL and AQ40 aswell although some bosses in those raids are tauntable unlike Naxx bosses.

[anon5123]

pre-1.12 patch, not really.

but vanilla ended like 12 years ago

I'm not talking about 12 years ago, I'm talking about now. Stop moving the goalposts.

[MrHorner]

Sry for thread revive, but I figured I could help the a little bit.

For leveling, 2h is always the way to go. You can either go Arms or fury, but always 2h. DW has a lot of miss chance, and you won't get hit from gear until latter levels while leveling, so just avoid the pain.

For raiding, DW is the way to go. However, you can also use 2h fury if you have a really good 2h weapon. A warrior in my guild had sulfuras, and he used it with 2h fury, doing some really good damage.
Arms cannot be used, since it consumes a debuff slot and it doesn't deal much damage overtime, just really good burst for PVP.