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    Virginia elementary school drops Confederate general from name, changes to Obama

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/19/us/ri...ama/index.html

    A Richmond, Virginia, elementary school will switch its name from that of a Confederate general to that of the nation's first black President.

    On Monday, the Richmond school board voted to rename J.E.B. Stuart Elementary as Barack Obama Elementary School, reported CNN affiliate WTVR.

    Members of the school's community submitted ideas for a new name and students at the Richmond school, which is 95% African-American according to WTVR, voted among seven choices. The top three finalists were: Barack Obama, Northside and Wishtree, the station reported.

    Last year, a school board in Mississippi dropped the name Jefferson Davis, for the president of the Confederacy, in favor of naming an elementary school after America's 44th president.

    Also on Monday, the Tulsa, Oklahoma, school board voted to rename Columbus and Chouteau elementary schools, but delayed the vote on what to call another elementary school that is named for Confederate general Robert E. Lee, reported CNN affiliate KRJH.

    Columbus Elementary, named for the now-controversial 15th century explorer, will become Dolores Huerta Elementary, named after the activist who co-founded the National Farm Workers Association with Cesar Chavez.

    Chouteau Elementary, named for trader and purported slave owner Jean-Pierre Chouteau, according to CNN affiliate KTUL, will become Wayman Tisdale Fine Arts Academy, named for a local basketball star who became an NBA player and later a successful jazz musician before his death in 2009.

    The Tulsa school board approved a change for Robert E. Lee Elementary, but will decide on a new name at its next meeting in August, CNN affiliate KJRH reported.

    A debate surrounding what to do with Confederate names, statues and symbols has been underway in recent years since Dylann Roof killed nine African-Americans in a Charleston, South Carolina, church in 2015. And it flared up again after white nationalists marched during the summer to protest the removal of a Robert E. Lee statue in Charlottesville, Virginia, where a counterprotester was killed.

    The Southern Poverty Law Center estimates that 100 public schools in the US are named for Confederate leaders, with most of them clustered in the South.

    Good decision. Hopefully all the other schools that are still named after Confederate traitors will soon follow suit.

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    Traitors shouldn't be honored as heroes, but they also shouldn't be forgotten either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    Traitors shouldn't be honored as heroes, but they also shouldn't be forgotten either.
    Get out of here with your logic! We don't like that here on MMO Champ!

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    Slowly but surely history is being erased, won't be surprised to see the US flag get changed because reasons..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    Traitors shouldn't be honored as heroes, but they also shouldn't be forgotten either.
    Then it would appear everything is working as intended. He's no longer being honored, and we still have his name in the history books. It would appear that things worked out perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grexly75 View Post
    Slowly but surely history is being erased, won't be surprised to see the US flag get changed because reasons..
    Don't erase the terrible parts of history, but make sure to not honor or celebrate them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    Traitors shouldn't be honored as heroes, but they also shouldn't be forgotten either.
    Having an institution of education named after you is an honor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    Traitors shouldn't be honored as heroes, but they also shouldn't be forgotten either.
    I mean if only we had a classroom setting that was dedicated to teaching things like history....oh wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The One Percent View Post
    Having an institution of education named after you is an honor.
    He was an accomplished Union officer as well. He also invented a better equipment for cavalry and was regarded as one of the greats in cavalry commanding/tactics. Just like Stonewall Jackson, they are a product of the times. Loyalties lied with family and the land. You grew up around these people close to you, and you stayed close. When the civil war happened, you stuck with your ties.

    All this shit going on makes people think the civil war was about slavery. It is 100% most definitely not, but dipshits today believe it is and that it's black or white, and if you are on the Confederate side, you are LITERALLY HITLER as they supported slavery. Most were good men caught in a rough situation, either go with your family, or go with your federal government

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foosha View Post
    He was an accomplished Union officer as well. He also invented a better equipment for cavalry and was regarded as one of the greats in cavalry commanding/tactics. Just like Stonewall Jackson, they are a product of the times. Loyalties lied with family and the land. You grew up around these people close to you, and you stayed close. When the civil war happened, you stuck with your ties.

    All this shit going on makes people think the civil war was about slavery. It is 100% most definitely not, but dipshits today believe it is and that it's black or white, and if you are on the Confederate side, you are LITERALLY HITLER as they supported slavery. Most were good men caught in a rough situation, either go with your family, or go with your federal government
    Yeah, the Civil War was about slavery. If you don't believe me, believe the people who wrote the letters of Secession. Trying to paint it as a states' rights issue ignores what "right" they wanted to keep... the right to keep slaves.

    https://www.battlefields.org/learn/p...states#Georgia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foosha View Post
    He was an accomplished Union officer as well. He also invented a better equipment for cavalry and was regarded as one of the greats in cavalry commanding/tactics. Just like Stonewall Jackson, they are a product of the times. Loyalties lied with family and the land. You grew up around these people close to you, and you stayed close. When the civil war happened, you stuck with your ties.
    And Benedict Arnold was a great soldier for the colonies, rank of Maj. Gen., a bunch of commendations, lauded for tactics, over looking that one betrayal, he would deserve a few schools too

    All this shit going on makes people think the civil war was about slavery. It is 100% most definitely not, but dipshits today believe it is and that it's black or white, and if you are on the Confederate side, you are LITERALLY HITLER as they supported slavery. Most were good men caught in a rough situation, either go with your family, or go with your federal government
    Rather sure it was all the states that left wrote down why they left for the sake of posterity "THIS IS WHY WE ARE LEAVING" that makes people KNOW what the civil war was about, funny thing, they never wrote "states rights", "taxes", "government overreach" or any of that other lost clause bullshit you seem to be trying peddle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Yeah, the Civil War was about slavery. If you don't believe me, believe the people who wrote the letters of Secession. Trying to paint it as a states' rights issue ignores what "right" they wanted to keep... the right to keep slaves.

    https://www.battlefields.org/learn/p...states#Georgia
    Sigh...as with history you need to take into account the whole, not the part. Just as WW1 and WW2 can and SHOULD be viewed as a whole, instead of distinct parts. The South's economy was reliant upon slaves, and slaves are rooted into their culture. So sure, dumb it down into the DURR SLAVES mindset

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    good they dropped the confederate name, but did they have to rename to obama?

    there are much more deserving people out there to name a school after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foosha View Post
    He was an accomplished Union officer as well. He also invented a better equipment for cavalry and was regarded as one of the greats in cavalry commanding/tactics. Just like Stonewall Jackson, they are a product of the times. Loyalties lied with family and the land. You grew up around these people close to you, and you stayed close. When the civil war happened, you stuck with your ties.

    All this shit going on makes people think the civil war was about slavery. It is 100% most definitely not, but dipshits today believe it is and that it's black or white, and if you are on the Confederate side, you are LITERALLY HITLER as they supported slavery. Most were good men caught in a rough situation, either go with your family, or go with your federal government
    Without going off on the side issue of reasons, you don't see a Rommel street anywhere, either, despite him being universally accepted as an upstanding fellow who got caught up in some bad business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grexly75 View Post
    Slowly but surely history is being erased, won't be surprised to see the US flag get changed because reasons..
    How is history being erased?

    This is the stupidest argument you traitor supporters have ever had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foosha View Post
    Sigh...as with history you need to take into account the whole, not the part. Just as WW1 and WW2 can and SHOULD be viewed as a whole, instead of distinct parts. The South's economy was reliant upon slaves, and slaves are rooted into their culture. So sure, dumb it down into the DURR SLAVES mindset
    Yeah, you can try and justify the reasons they wanted to keep slaves, but trying to say it wasn't about slavery is pure bullshit. Having a culture of loving slavery isn't actually a defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foosha View Post
    Sigh...as with history you need to take into account the whole, not the part. Just as WW1 and WW2 can and SHOULD be viewed as a whole, instead of distinct parts. The South's economy was reliant upon slaves, and slaves are rooted into their culture. So sure, dumb it down into the DURR SLAVES mindset
    Huh?

    Are you really saying the CW wasn't just about slavery, because the South was worried about their culture and economy because slavery was such a huge part of those things?

    That's like saying a person that has to lose their legs isn't worried about losing their legs, they are worried about not being able to walk or run without their legs.

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    All for the name change. More concerned about why you have schools that are 95% African American. I thought segregation was over?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    Without going off on the side issue of reasons, you don't see a Rommel street anywhere, either, despite him being universally accepted as an upstanding fellow who got caught up in some bad business.
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    Bad history belongs in museums so we can learn about it and never forget what made them bad.
    Good history belongs in the public so we can look at it every day and remember what made us good.

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    Don't erase the terrible parts of history, but make sure to not honor or celebrate them.
    Which is why you put them in Museums and not in public space.
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