Bonus roll nerf and cost increase

[Dystemper]

Mop didn't have timewalking or order hall / garrison raid missions which also gave you bonus rolls. You also have the nether disruptor which occasionally gives you 3 free coins or sometimes refunds your world boss bonus rolls (at least for pre Argus world bosses).

I see nothing like that in BETA, but with these changes I think they want you to have as few as possible going into Uldir. I dont expect them to add any more ways to get the coins till either next raid sometime next year or towards end of expansion

[Shakou]

Oh and OP, we've had additional loot boxes since WOD now on the regular, so you've got timewalking, you've got your 4 mythics and get a piece of heroic raid loot, you've got order hall missions...and the M+ weekly cache. I don't think we're gonna see a huge change from this one little thing.

Also I would bank on relinquished gear making a return in BFA so even more reason not to be that stressed out over this.

[Paulosio]

Because forced personal loot wasn't bad enough, let's limit the only way to target certain items.

Who says they have.... You aren't looking at the big picture.

In MOP you could buy more than 2 coins from the vendor each week but you didn't have timewalking (which gives a bonus roll for the quest), the order hall mission (which gives a bonus roll for the 200% bonus) or the nether disruptor which sometimes gives 3 free bonus rolls.

On top of all these added sources of bonus rolls that have been added since MOP, who is to say that there aren't going to be other new ways added that we just aren't aware of yet ? It wouldn't suprise me if they added other more interesting ways to get extra bonus rolls than just buying them all from a vendor. Perhaps there will be 1 in your weekly mythic plus chest or 1 from the final boss of a raid tier for example.

[Dystemper]

They’re already over priced as is, why can’t they bring back lesser charms or something. Bonus rolls should be a reward for playing, not a resource/gold sink.

I would be happy ifd they just went back to a currency system like Valor or Justice. Hell even the wakening essence system that allows you to get something. But Ion loves his Excessive RNG because to him RNG is content

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Oh and OP, we've had additional loot boxes since WOD now on the regular, so you've got timewalking, you've got your 4 mythics and get a piece of heroic raid loot, you've got order hall missions...and the M+ weekly cache. I don't think we're gonna see a huge change from this one little thing.

Also I would bank on relinquished gear making a return in BFA so even more reason not to be that stressed out over this.

Thats a lot of assumption for a expansion they have already shown to be taking more choices away then adding

[Paulosio]

Oh and OP, we've had additional loot boxes since WOD now on the regular, so you've got timewalking, you've got your 4 mythics and get a piece of heroic raid loot, you've got order hall missions...and the M+ weekly cache. I don't think we're gonna see a huge change from this one little thing.

Also I would bank on relinquished gear making a return in BFA so even more reason not to be that stressed out over this.

And we also have the nether disruptor giving out 3 free bonus rolls sometimes.

We also have no idea what other new ways to get extra bonus roll might be added in BFA. This change might have been made not to reduce the number of coins you can get each week but rather to keep the number you can get each week the same as is currently the case in Legion with the addition in BFA of new more interesting sources than the vendor.

[Xtrm]

They've commented on all the other so called "controversial" changes.

Even if a blue post does come out. What are they going to stay? We're making this change to slow down the gearing process. That will go over real well.

[Jinzuru]

Even if a blue post does come out. What are they going to stay? We're making this change to slow down the gearing process. That will go over real well.

"Our casino has decided to limit the number of times you'd be able to pull slot machine, have a nice day"

[Dystemper]

If they keep with Legion and WOD and the weekly world Boss drops loot thats better then LFR or as good as normal, then I see more people keeping one of their rolls a week just for that and maybe doing less raiding

[Shakou]

Thats a lot of assumption for a expansion they have already shown to be taking more choices away then adding

You're assuming they won't be back. That's a lot of assumption too guy. Be sure to call your mom though and tell her about your troubles with your loot coins.

[Th3Scourge]

Good, I wish they’d get rid of the system altogether. You can get heroic Antorus loot from doing an order hall quest or weekly quest that can titanforge anyway

[Dystemper]

Good, I wish they’d get rid of the system altogether. You can get heroic Antorus loot from doing an order hall quest or weekly quest that can titanforge anyway

Assuming they keep something like that in BFA

[Shakou]

And we also have the nether disruptor giving out 3 free bonus rolls sometimes.

We also have no idea what other new ways to get extra bonus roll might be added in BFA. This change might have been made not to reduce the number of coins you can get each week but rather to keep the number you can get each week the same as is currently the case in Legion with the addition in BFA of new more interesting sources than the vendor.

Forgot all about Nether Disruptor and ya...totally it might just be that there are other ways to get weekly rolls.

But if not...I don't care. I still have been getting most of my gear almost always the normal way with few exceptions.

[Th3Scourge]

Assuming they keep something like that in BFA

I would not be phased if they got rid of that either. Making gear harder to come by is good for the game

[Dystemper]

I would not be phased if they got rid of that either. Making gear harder to come by is good for the game

I would agree, but Thats not the direction they have been taking for a while now. Epics are no longer epics but they have been handing gear out like candy. Not that 99% of it was really any good. To suddenly stop that and reverse course would have drastic consequences for the game. It would have to be something they did slowly.

I guess there is always a chance that Seals will be sold for cash in the cash shop lol... I laugh but the possibility is not far fetched

[Nihilan]

Good, I wish they’d get rid of the system altogether. You can get heroic Antorus loot from doing an order hall quest or weekly quest that can titanforge anyway

Which you wont get unless you clear a certain boss on Heroic. And most people do not raid past LFR.

OT: On the one hand, there are fewer slots to gear as the azerite pieces will be locked and cant TF so maybe Blizzard feels justified in reducing the potential throughput of the token system. On the other hand this looks like a blatant attempt to stretch MAU numbers via slower gearing. This decision must appeal greatly to Ion's "must slow everything down" approach to game design.

[Th3Scourge]

Which you wont get unless you clear a certain boss on Heroic. And most people do not raid past LFR.

OT: On the one hand, there are fewer slots to gear as the azerite pieces will be locked and cant TF so maybe Blizzard feels justified in reducing the potential throughput of the token system. On the other hand this looks like a blatant attempt to stretch MAU numbers via slower gearing. This decision must appeal greatly to Ion's "must slow everything down" approach to game design.

Mythic+ weekly quest always awards 945+TF loot

[Deleted]

Even if a blue post does come out. What are they going to stay? We're making this change to slow down the gearing process. That will go over real well.

Having one less coin is hardly going to slow down the gearing process, lol. Stop with the hyperbole.

They could say anything, you just need to think outside of the box for once. Clue: there's already been a few suggestions in this thread...

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I guess there is always a chance that Seals will be sold for cash in the cash shop lol... I laugh but the possibility is not far fetched

Now you are just being ridiculous, and pretty sure you're just trolling at this point.

[grexly75]

Ya...nah. Vast majority of people will not whine about constantly getting ap/gold instead of something they really wanted.

Yeah with all the rolls I have done with coins I have had about a 85% roll AP, 10% roll something I already have or find useless and 5% something actually useful. But as we all know we always went nuts the first few weeks when it came to rolls, and would end up with none left for later on in the raid.. This time around people will have to really think out what gear they want to go after..

And seeing that they can be saved up is still good even though it is only 5 instead of 6 I suppose it is better than nothing..

I think the mistake was introducing the things in the first place. But to each their own.

Exactly they should never have introduced them, as we can see now there are those whinging about losing 1 bonus roll a week..

[Nihilan]

Mythic+ weekly quest always awards 945+TF loot

I believe he was talking about the "go to this raid and kill this boss" table mission.

And for bfa, it was my understanding that M+ will not award Azerite pieces. Even if they do, Blizzard has explicitly stated that Azerite pieces will not TF. Also, the TF proc rate has supposedly been reduced.

[Dystemper]

Having one less coin is hardly going to slow down the gearing process, lol. Stop with the hyperbole.

They could say anything, you just need to think outside of the box for once. Clue: there's already been a few suggestions in this thread...

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Now you are just being ridiculous, and pretty sure you're just trolling at this point.

One less chance at gear is still one less chance. You might not think its a lot but for some people who have to maximize their time to try and gear up it could mean a great deal. It also depends on uldir , how many bosses there are and how many chances to get gear. if they have reduced the amount of gear available becaise of Azurite armor, it can mean a great deal. it all seems to be a way to slow down peoples progression .. And the cash shop thing was a joke, but its not out of the real of possibility.