The tank threat nerf on beta is going to destroy m+ pugging.

[Wvvtayy]

Apparently the game was better 10 years ago, the players were better, the mentality was better and we need these times back.

Seems Blizzard listens.

(not an entirely un-sarcastic post)



Funny....on the other hand, players / posters keep telling Blizzard what to do / how to design a game - and what will happen if they don't listen to said players / poster :P

Whether or not the mentality was better 10 years ago is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is the mentality is gone, dead, and never coming back.

[Jyggalag]

Have you experienced tanks losing aggro in beta? I would have imagined that this change was intended purely to give tanks another layer of engaging gameplay outside of just watching their HP and reacting with defensives and taunting at X stacks in raid settings.

[SinR]

Tank: Kill Skull first every time
DPS: *in unison* YES TANK-SAMA
Healer: Tank-Sama soooo dreamy...

I Should add this is how you solve the Tank Threat Nerf in M+. Tell your DPS to focus one target down while you build AOE Threat on the other mobs.

[Tiwack]

...and then retard DPS will still try to do the same shit they've done for 10 years, they will pull aggro off the tank, they will die, and they will screech at the tank for "not doing his job" even though it's the fault of the DPS. We already see it happen with the skittish affix.

Gotta learn and take responsibility themselves somehow.

[Nnyco]

Don't tell me what to do

i do what i want and right now i tell ya you just do shitty ass threads where all you do is complain about petty shit where you clearly have no idea what you talkin about

[Tiwack]

Whether or not the mentality was better 10 years ago is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is the mentality is gone, dead, and never coming back.

You dunno blizzard or how things work then...

e I get it. As a fan it can be frustrating to see the mountain of changes, you don't have a chance to fully comprehend before you experience it yourself, coming with each expansion. It's scary and exciting at the same time. It'll keep you on your toes and ask you to adapt or you'll be longing for better times in the past. Look for the positives and you can usually find them but look for the negatives and they'll be all you see. Just treat others like you want to be treated and you'll be fine. Changes to the game are always done to improve it and further enrich the developers. Know when to quit before you drive yourself nuts.

[LoLcano]

Make sure you always have hunter and rogue in your group . bring class not player ^^

[Wvvtayy]

i do what i want and right now i tell ya you just do shitty ass threads where all you do is complain about petty shit where you clearly have no idea what you talkin about

If you don't like my shitty ass threads then you're free to not view or post in them

[Keltas]

I still don't get what the point of it was. Threat isn't a fun mechanic at all.

To prevent the "hit everything once then just kite it" fiesta in m+ and the invitational, and to force gearing up tanks as a priority for raids (otherwise you'd force tanks to trade away all their gear and set loot specs to dps for weapons and trinkets).

Same reason they made armor DR scale with mobs. They want to force guilds to keep gear on tanks.

[Sluvs]

Yeah, because that's what happened when they suddenly made heroics hard again in cata after them being faceroll aoefests in wrath

Oh wait no, that's not what happened at all. Millions of people unsubbed and blizzard had to end up nerfing the shit out of them.

You do not know if they unsubbed because of that. You are assuming.

I think it will be kinda like it is now, you can pug lower mythics, higher mythics, not so much. The only difference is that the puggables M+ will be lower than it is now.

[nacixems]

I personally welcome the change, brings back more skill to tanking, and other classes paying attention to threat, maybe less zergness.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Its not that big of a deal. For about 90% of the player base that manages to do about 40% of what a class can output at best they will hardly notice. The 1% at the top wont be able to cheese the whole instance with kite tanking. That leaves about 9% of players that just have to count to 2 or 3 before they unload and pick the right targets instead of just mindless attack what I want because I am pro mentality.

#MadeUp#s4Examples

[Wvvtayy]

You do not know if they unsubbed because of that. You are assuming.

I think it will be kinda like it is now, you can pug lower mythics, higher mythics, not so much. The only difference is that the puggables M+ will be lower than it is now.

I'm not assuming shit. Blizzard admitted making heroics that hard in cata was a mistake. GC even said he thought players would rise to the challenge, but the reality was most people just gave up and quit instead.

[Loxotron]

...and then retard DPS will still try to do the same shit they've done for 10 years, they will pull aggro off the tank, they will die, and they will screech at the tank for "not doing his job" even though it's the fault of the DPS. We already see it happen with the skittish affix.

And whats bad about that? Eventually people will start to communicate and do whatever needs to progress further or will stuck with wiping, only positive changes here.
There should be no tolerance to random noobs who cant put the shit together, and wow never should cater to the lowest nominee from the start.

[Deleted]

it literally makes no difference, you'd probably know this if you actually played the beta.

If you actually played beta you'd know that as a melee dps, this makes a major difference. I've never gained threat as hard on beta as I have for the last 3 expansions and all it takes is one fel barrage, regardless if I waited or not, either all my tanks were bad or waiting 3-5 seconds before going in was just not enough, the result is the same - it makes a difference.

[Deleted]

M+ should not be puggable in the first place

[McFuu]

SO its not fine then. I give it a month on live before changes are made.

Its been live in beta since the beginning, Blizz made a post about it recently after beta ran for months. No one noticed.

[Wvvtayy]

And whats bad about that? Eventually people will start to communicate and do whatever needs to progress further or will stuck with wiping, only positive changes here.
There should be no tolerance to random noobs who cant put the shit together, and wow never should cater to the lowest nominee from the start.

It's not bad at all if, as I said, you have a dedicated group of 4 skilled friends at your beck and call to come run m+ with you whenever you want. But for the other 99% of us who have to rely on the group finder, it's horrible, because no matter how skilled you are, you can't fix other people's stupid

[Raelbo]

Dear God, who thought nerfing tank threat by 80% was a good idea? Finding a pug tank is hard enough as it is. Now imagine how much worse it's going to be once idiot DPS in every group scream at the tank for being "bad" because they can't hold aggro. Even if the tank is good, do you really think most random DPS are going to watch their threat? Absolutely not. The mentality of players now is absolutely nothing like it was 10 years ago the last time threat management was a thing. The result is no tanks are going to want to join group finder m+ pugs anymore.

Sure, the change is fine if you happen to have a dedicated group of friends at your beck and call to run m+ with, but people who rely on the group finder are pretty much fucked.

Bad argument, sorry.

Firstly high end M+ should not be designed to molly-coddle pugs. It's intented to be challenging content appropriate for organised groups who work at it over a period of time.

Secondly, people will adapt. When every tank is struggling to hold aggro against an idiot dps, groups will pretty quickly learn where the blame lies.

[Cosmic Janitor]

It's to curb high end m+ strategies and everyone and their grandmother is already seeing the obvious effects it will have on the lower end of the spectrum which makes up the overwhelming majority of players. We have a 38 page thread that explored all of that already. We will most likely see some bandaid fix to tanks in lfg and lfr. That they will sabotage their own new favorite feature - (lower) m+ - is something they probably haven't realized yet.