Terrible Blizzard Writing

[Arrashi]

Except this doesn't work when there are two different groups within the Horde with separate orders.

So one group of horde members deals with furbolg problem and then another group of horde comes and says "Fuck it, it wasn't evil enough" and decides to fuck furbolgs up to make it more evil ?

[Zyky]

Got any proof for that? The game shows otherwise.



Happened before, will happen again.

I mean it isn't exactly the same time, but they are happening pretty concurrently with each other. For example a shot sequence of events Horde Quest: Stealth with the Blood Elf and kill guards "avoid killing civilians" in Astranaar > Horde Quest: Turn in and Sylvanas/Saurfang send you over to the base by the sea to make the base know that the Horde army is coming > this is where it gets fuzzy it's presumed that the next this is Alliance Quest: Where Malfurion has you call the wisps out of the bodies of the guards we killed in Astranaar with the Blood Elf however why this is fuzzy is because > The follow up Horde Quest: Sends you to speak to Saurfang in Astranaar who complains about the Wisps and remembers the Wisps from defeating Archimonde(this is a new bit of Lore too, it's never been mentioned that he was part of that battle). So I think this is what Bjoramier is getting at how did Alliance players call the Wisps out of the bodies in Astranaar when it was being occupied by Saurfang?

[EbaumsTipster]

So one group of horde members deals with furbolg problem and then another group of horde comes and says "Fuck it, it wasn't evil enough" and decides to fuck furbolgs up to make it more evil ?

It's almost like there are two military leaders with completely separate ideologies spearheading this assault or something!

[clevin]

Except this doesn't work when there are two different groups within the Horde with separate orders.

Irrelevant. At one time and in one place you either have furblog in cages, enslaved or you don't. It can't be that if I happen upon the camp and I'm Alliance I see them free, but if I'm Horde, I see them caged. That makes no sense.

[Every Pwny]

Again - wrong. You don't duel them, you fight them into submission, and to even reach them, you have to kill furbolgs. Not to mention, that you kill them to conquer their home, you can even see them afterwards, trying to reclaim it while goblins are throwing grenades at the furbolgs.

As for "great pain", no you just sneak through the town in a giffy, ask your master assassin to kill the guards and THEN burn down the town as the soldiers arrive.

This makes more sense, redshirtguy was probably just trying to whitewash the horde side more.

[Arrashi]

It's almost like there are two military leaders with completely separate ideologies spearheading this assault or something!

But one leader already dealth with problem. Other one is just...doing random evil stuff...ugh...for some reason ?

[clevin]

its pretty obvious that the people saying that the most logical thing, they dont happen simultaneously are right

Anyone can be a "terrible writer" if you are purposefully obtuse and refuse to analyze things objectively.

once again Warcrafts problem is the fanbase are morons

If they want events to happen at different times they need to indicate that. It's moronic NOT to. It's not on the reader to make excuses for inconsistencies in fiction.

[tristannarutofan]

But that needs to be made explicit. It can't be some player's head canon, it needs to be easily known via something in the game. Doesn't have to be a huge thing - it could be a civilian the Alliance meets who say something like "At first the Horde were honorable... but those left and the Forsaken came and did... this."

That would be enough and is dead easy. If nothing like that or another clue is present then this is just incompetent writing and poor oversight from whoever is supposed to coordinate this stuff.

There is ...no reason to suggest they should be. almost no other quests give a chronology and one has to assume when they happen.

the natural instince is that since its a reaction to the horde attacking one can assume the horde side happens first.

regardless most of the ppl here are saying it doesnt make sense and the devs are terrible because they are dumb, not because they lack any context that they dont happen at the same time.

like you realize thats GOOD writing? It just bobbles my mind "its not made clear WHEN these events happen" Yes. correct thats a writing technique people use to confuse the reader and alter context. there are tons of movies and books that depict a scene early on, and its confusing and then later on that scene is shows to have been decades in the past, or a hallucination the protag has before their death, or something.

They arent telling two fake stories in order to show bias and a difference of opinion. They are showing, to the people who play both sides, that the context of a war can SEEM different based on how much you see.

ppl have been asking for MONTHS how the "horde could allow this" well we see it if you play both stories.

The Horde is acting honorablly, its sylvanas that isnt. They only attack the guards and ahve a military test to get passage from the furbolgs. But there was only military because the civilians were already attacked, and Sylvanas has the furbolgs caged AFTER the horde leaves.

cant you see this is exactly the intent?

[EbaumsTipster]

cant you see this is exactly the intent?

no.. shut up.. sylvanas is good.. i dont want an evil warchief again bros...

[tristannarutofan]

If they want events to happen at different times they need to indicate that. It's moronic NOT to. It's not on the reader to make excuses for inconsistencies in fiction.

There is no reason to say that

Watch any movie, most of them will ahve cut aways to other events without specifying the time, same happens in most books.

some occasionally do.

Most people will only play one

those who play both will realize the alliance side happens after.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

The proof will be in the pudding when we see the burning itself. If THAT is as bad as some of these quests, then we have a problem. But if it is clearly told with a consistent motivation on all sides then the rest will be swept under the rug.

[EbaumsTipster]

The proof will be in the pudding when we see the burning itself. If THAT is as bad as some of these quests, then we have a problem. But if it is clearly told with a consistent motivation on all sides then the rest will be swept under the rug.

The best part was that in the earliest leaks, it was said that Sylvanas does it with Gorribal's power. Can't wait to see that one get nipped in the bud.

[clevin]

There is no reason to say that

Watch any movie, most of them will ahve cut aways to other events without specifying the time, same happens in most books.
.

Stop reading shit fanfic. No good work of fiction does this.

[tristannarutofan]

But one leader already dealth with problem. Other one is just...doing random evil stuff...ugh...for some reason ?

I mean you are being willfully obtuse.

its easy to say "i dont understand the reason".

especially since this is the start of the expansion and its pretty much guaranteed we are going to learn more about it in the future.

but media has already shown that she wants to kill anyone who MIGHT be a threat, bring all the horde to heel so there are no internal threats. And isnt again lying to their faces to 'motivate them" and then changing things up when they are gone.

She's an intelligent military leader. If you think your general is going to avoid attacking because civilians are in the way....kill the civilians first. if you think that its a risk to let military enemies go free...wait till the person who negotiated with them leaves then put them in internment. If they ask you if you value the lives of the horde? Lie to them and say you do.

Sylvanas is evil always has been but she's MUCH smarter than garrosh. She knows to pretend to be good when it suits her, and to be ruthless when it suits her goals

[Scottyjscizzle]

You know what people say.

Everybody is a critic these days.

Worst part is, they are critics who can't grasp time or cause and effect. They literally need shit spoon-fed or they can't comprehend it.

[tristannarutofan]

Stop reading shit fanfic. No good work of fiction does this.

yes they do , thanks for showing me you dont care to look at this reasonably and will just insult people. makes it clear your opinion is worthless

[Deleted]

Please investigate the chronology of events properly before you post hate comments here.
I can understand the complaints about Sylvanas actions and her motivation, but we shall see, there is bunch of upcoming patches which will lead, no doubt, to another major events.

[Super Dickmann]

To clarify the Furbolg thing, as I was quoted here. There's no differentiation between their treatment in the Horde quests and the Alliance quests that happen after the takeover. In the Horde quests, Sylvanas tells you that direct conquest costs time and lives, so instead, you move in, plant banners, kill a few and then beat their leaders into submission, who then hand over the furbolg encampment to the Horde. After the fact, you see the Horde fighting with those furbolg who are still enraged and the leaders are tied up. Then, in the Alliance version, this is carried on, with you freeing the captured furbolg leaders. Neither version casts the Horde in a more evil light, one is just a continuation of the other.

[Coombs]

Both sides of a conflict feel they are the heroes. I don't know how Blizzard is handling it, but a story where each side hears bias tales and lies is a good one. But I know it's Blizzard so it's probably unintentional and fucked up.

[Arrashi]

Sylvanas is evil always has been but she's MUCH smarter than garrosh. She knows to pretend to be good when it suits her, and to be ruthless when it suits her goals

Oh yeah, randomly commiting genocide for no reason is MUCH smarter than garrosh.