Farmers in America are killing themselves in staggering numbers

[Toppy]

Yes, because the CEO salary at Apple is causing this. Not sure why Leftists insist on equality of outcome, when it should simply be equality of opportunity. But hey, participation trophies were such a good idea... why not hand out money as well! Muuuuh... conservuhtives.... derp

The issue isnt exclusively in the 1%, that's an exaggeration that is often used by people who have no idea what they're talking about.

You do realize that most faults of our econemy currently have roots in people not being able to afford to spend period? Small businesses complain that they cant pay more because then they'd be cutting into profits, but its most businesses having this thought process that's preventing people from making the wages they need to spend in the first place. The disappearing middle class is something we should be terrified of, but few seem to care, and whenever its brought up dumb people start screaming socialism.

Pay people shit wage and they will only go to the cheapest, lowest quality available. Which is typically sold by a giant company, keeping the money out of local hands.

We dont exactly need to redistribute the wealth up top, we need to remember that we need a strong financial core, since those up top have shown themselves quiet against spending their money where it matters, we need spending where it is needed. A nation can certainly exist with no middle class, but it will never thrive.

[scelero]

People just need to get their shit together and start recognizing that food cannot come at that low costs it's trying to be marketed as. Food should be valued and its value be paid. If you're not earning enough to afford a steak every other day, tough luck. That shouldn't be the norm anyways.
This HAS to come through the consumer, because the farmers themselves can't form an alliance w/o risking trouble with cartel laws, and without an industry-wide organisation, there will always be that one asshole that tries to slip into the market by outrageously cheap prices, choking everyone else.

It's not that much different here, except for the suicides. But farmers struggle left and right. Since I myself earn more than average, I transitioned to avoiding overly cheap meat and dairy from discounters. It's usually not of great quality anyways. Cheap, cheap, cheap is a terrible direction in the food sector, and the OP shows only one of its outcomes.

Life is free. Charging for something that is inherently free and here regardless of putting a price tag, should be something you should think about. No other species charges to have life and to live life like humans do.

[Poopymonster]

Bunch o Communist Muslim Liberal Socialist Atheist Bullpucky.

Trickle down works!
Soon!
Once we give the 1% enough!
It'll trickle down!
Any day now.
After a new tax break?
You promise?
For realsies this time?
Pinkie Pie swear?
Sure, let's get right on it.

[Demona3]

Lol who cares about farmers. Just buy your food from the store lmao.

Holy crap, are you stupid or what? Where do you think your meat, chicken, eggs, milk, bread, holy shit, everything comes from? Bravo, you get the idiot of the year award.

[Daedius]

White people are not at the bottom of anything. Even the poor ones.

You know who is below poor white men? Poor anyone else.

You say economic status is the only dividing line in our society, but then say poor white people are on the bottom. It just strengthens your hypocrisy.

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I'm white. I'm male. And you can't actually refute a single thing I said.

Oh the poor self loathing sod you are... I'm brown, and the way you self discriminate is beyond cringe-worthy.

[Bodakane]

Again, it's not about oppression, it's about peoples lives being hard and you apparently not giving a shit about that.

Also, why shouldn't people get more respect for hard jobs that require long hours and more dedication?

Jesus Christ. You don’t get to tell me what I’m discussing. Again you came in on an argument about apples and you’re taking my stance on apples and applying it to an argument about hammers that I never had.

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1) I didn't make any comparisons.

2) It's not a competition.

Edit: Also, feel free to look up the fallacy of relative privation.

I’ve already quoted you two times where you said white people are oppressed and at the bottom. To keep denying you said it is either flat out stupid or insane.

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And no one asked them to respect them more. But compared to the work they do, the responsibility and the fact that they are a business where the farmer is the manager and worker in one, they are payed way too little for what they contribute.

At least where I live, where one out of three farms have been abandoned the last 20 years.

What the fuck is wrong with this forum today.

Yes they do ask for more respect. They want to be thanked and paid for doing a job they chose to do.

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Oh the poor self loathing sod you are... I'm brown, and the way you self discriminate is beyond cringe-worthy.

Your bullshit and useless opinion about me is duly noted and filed.

[Celista]

"Think about trying to live today on the income you had 15 years ago." That's how agriculture expert Chris Hurt describes the plight facing U.S. farmers today.

I have a lot of empathy for US farmers but this problem is not specific to US farmers. Maybe everyone can stop bitching about how entitled Millennials are for two mintues and think about our deeply entrenched economic problems that are mostly perpetuated by greed.

[Daedius]

Jesus Christ. You don’t get to tell me what I’m discussing. Again you came in on an argument about apples and you’re taking my stance on apples and applying it to an argument about hammers that I never had.

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I’ve already quoted you two times where you said white people are oppressed and at the bottom. To keep denying you said it is either flat out stupid or insane.

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What the fuck is wrong with this forum today.

Yes they do ask for more respect. They want to be thanked and paid for doing a job they chose to do.

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Your bullshit and useless opinion about me is duly noted and filed.

Like people want to listen to your useless race baiting, deflecting the issue while going on an OT tangent.

[Bodakane]

Like people want to listen to your useless race baiting, deflecting the issue while going on an OT tangent.

Yeah; I brought up race........

I want to be shocked you got it so wrong

[melodramocracy]

Truly, MAGA.

[Daedius]

Yeah; I brought up race........

I want to be shocked you got it so wrong

So why mention white people (privilege), and dragging the thread to your useless OT rant?

[araine]

I think farmers need protection from big companies that takes advantage of them.

Good luck with that they mostly vote for republicans and we all know who republicans care about, namely the big and rich and powerful. and to the rest of you suckers they say shit like make america great again while they implement policy that will wreck your business of being a farmer, see tariffs and the winning trade war, these farmers are getting so much winning from the current administration that i am sure they will be out of business in no time.

[Deleted]

I am sorry for your disconnect with reality.

There is some profoundly tragicomic that we are comparing people who produce food with people who install internet.

[Poopymonster]

Good luck with that they mostly vote for republicans and we all know who republicans care about, namely the big and rich and powerful. and to the rest of you suckers they say shit like make america great again while they implement policy that will wreck your business of being a farmer, see tariffs and the winning trade war, these farmers are getting so much winning from the current administration that i am sure they will be out of business in no time.

They're winning so much they won't need jobs anymore!
While in the cities, there will be jobs. Tons of jobs. You'll have people working 2, 3, even 4 jobs we'll have so many jobs!

[Deleted]

I think we need to remove the subsidies (welfare handouts) they receive and let the free market correct the problem. Larger Farming Companies will pick up the slack if shortages appear. Farmers are getting to many handouts as it is. They are getting paid by the Government not to grow crops, name me another industry were you get paid not to do your job.

Failing businesses should not be getting propped up.

[Deleted]

People just need to get their shit together and start recognizing that food cannot come at that low costs it's trying to be marketed as. Food should be valued and its value be paid. If you're not earning enough to afford a steak every other day, tough luck. That shouldn't be the norm anyways.
This HAS to come through the consumer, because the farmers themselves can't form an alliance w/o risking trouble with cartel laws, and without an industry-wide organisation, there will always be that one asshole that tries to slip into the market by outrageously cheap prices, choking everyone else.

It's not that much different here, except for the suicides. But farmers struggle left and right. Since I myself earn more than average, I transitioned to avoiding overly cheap meat and dairy from discounters. It's usually not of great quality anyways. Cheap, cheap, cheap is a terrible direction in the food sector, and the OP shows only one of its outcomes.

catch 22, growing number of people having to rely on food banks as well. at last in the UK. food price goes up better for suicidal farmers bad for suicidal poor, food price goes and down and vica versa.....


systems fucked brah

[Ozyorkbourne]

I totally agree. I just linked that video as it was relevant to the story.

Consumers generally won't buy produce unless it looks a certain way and is overstocked. There are some markets addressing this in a way by selling "ugly produce" to draw attention and hopefully get consumers to consider it, but the overstocking is still an issue. People generally won't buy produce from a supermarket if they only have 1 or 2 choices. They want to see baskets/crates full of the product so they can choose what they want. If they see only 1 or 2 green peppers left, they'll assume that there is something wrong with the peppers and not buy them. That leads to a ridiculous amount of overstocking and food waste which in turn drives down the amount that supermarkets are willing to pay distributors for the product (and those distributors pay the farmers less as a result).

In the UK a study was done using parsnips and people were actually perfectly happy to buy wonky parsnips, Morrison's (i think) are now doing bags of cosmetically rejected produce as well, trying to change their image a bit. Hopefully it works.

Since you seem interested, did you hear about how they were testing plastic free labeling on potatoe's in some EU countries by laser branding them? It just doesn't work on citrus fruits because citrus skins heal. That's gonna be interesting.

[zenkai]

Good luck with that they mostly vote for republicans and we all know who republicans care about, namely the big and rich and powerful. and to the rest of you suckers they say shit like make america great again while they implement policy that will wreck your business of being a farmer, see tariffs and the winning trade war, these farmers are getting so much winning from the current administration that i am sure they will be out of business in no time.

What did the Democrats do to protect Farmers in 2008?

[Machismo]

What did the Democrats do to protect Farmers in 2008?

Moving goalposts much?

[Z-Man]

What did the Democrats do to protect Farmers in 2008?

Offered them a chance to not be on the losing side of a trade war?