Fury is not a faster playstyle than Arms, change my mind.

[Shakou]

As arms you just wreck shit, in 5 abilities you've dealt serious damage, target might be dead. As fury? In 5 abilities you've got enough rage to finally hit rampage.

[Clozer]

enrage gives you haste => haste lowers gcd => lower gcd => more buttons pressed => faster playstyle.

[Shakou]

enrage gives you haste => haste lowers gcd => lower gcd => more buttons pressed => faster playstyle.

It takes you 20 globals to do (not even) half the dmg arms does in 5. how is that faster?

[Super Kami Dende]

You press more buttons in a shorter period of time. Ergo Faster. What else needs to be said.

[MakeMeLaugh]

It takes you 20 globals to do (not even) half the dmg arms does in 5. how is that faster?

He just explained to you how it's faster, but it seems you doesn't understand what "faster" means.

[Shakou]

You press more buttons in a shorter period of time. Ergo Faster. What else needs to be said.

If I kill something faster than you do, and killing things is the objective of the game, how are you faster than me?

[Clozer]

It takes you 20 globals to do (not even) half the dmg arms does in 5. how is that faster?

you should give warlock a try. One Chaosbolt does as much dmg as 5 arms abilities.

[Shakou]

you should give warlock a try. One Chaosbolt does as much dmg as 5 arms abilities.

No it doesn't, and destro isn't even viable in bfa right now. Aint nobody playing destro. But let's just say you actually are, well you're squishy as fuck and I'm not, and you have far less mobility than I do, and you actually have to get that cast off without me spell reflecting it. GLWT.

[Clozer]

No it doesn't, and destroy isn't even viable in bfa right now.

yes it is.

[Shadowater]

fury have some ramp up time, but can keep going for longer. Arms have cooldowns after you use it, fury need enrage to use it. if fury are lucky with enrage they get faster because arms are still stuck behind cooldowns

[Super Kami Dende]

If I kill something faster than you do, and killing things is the objective of the game, how are you faster than me?

Because time to Kill =/= Playstyle. I can One shot a creature with my DK's Cold heart Legendary. That doesn't suddenly make him a faster playstyle than any other class.

Learn definitions.

[Shakou]

Because time to Kill =/= Playstyle. I can One shot a creature with my DK's Cold heart Legendary. That doesn't suddenly make him a faster playstyle than any other class.

Learn definitions.

That's not a very convincing argument that a "playstyle" that does less dmg in the same amount of time is "faster". I get that it attacks more frequently, but just because something happens more frequently doesn't necessarily mean it's faster. It might mean you pressed raging blow/blood thirst enough so you have enough rage and can finally rampage. But I just pressed colossus smash/warbreaker and bladestormed and it/they died.

[MakeMeLaugh]

Because time to Kill =/= Playstyle. I can One shot a creature with my DK's Cold heart Legendary. That doesn't suddenly make him a faster playstyle than any other class.

Learn definitions.

It's no use, he doesn't know what "faster playstyle" means.

[Super Kami Dende]

That's not a very convincing argument that a "playstyle" that does less dmg in the same amount of time is "faster". I get that it attacks more frequently, but just because something happens more frequently doesn't necessarily mean it's faster. It might mean you pressed raging blow/blood thirst enough so you have enough rage and can finally rampage. But I just pressed colossus smash/warbreaker and bladestormed and it/they died.

Think of it as a 9mm Uzi vs a .44 Magnum. Magnum is going to do a lot more damage with its 6 shots. But the Uzi will shoot a hell of a lot more bullets in the same timeframe.

[Shakou]

fury have some ramp up time, but can keep going for longer. Arms have cooldowns after you use it, fury need enrage to use it. if fury are lucky with enrage they get faster because arms are still stuck behind cooldowns

Ah but only cd I have to worry about (baseline) is colossus smash/warbreaker and since the best build right now is with anger management talent and csmash has only a 45 second cooldown I can csmash again in maybe 20 seconds, especially since I have azerite traits that turn csmash into a rage generator. Deadly Calm is also pretty good though so I suppose you have point. However Arms is not CD reliant to do great damage. Fury currently does poor dmg enraged or not.

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A fury warrior has higher APM, and needs to have higher APM, in order to match Arms DPS

But that's where it's failing hard. It's like really really far behind arms right now. How are you faster if I do more dps?

[Shakou]

Because, as explained in the rest of that post, DPS =/= Speed of Playstyle

If I have 5 buttons that I have to hit, one at a time, one every second, and they each do 500 damage, I'm doing 500 dps.
If you have 1 button that you have to hit, one at a time, with a 5 second cooldown, and it does 2500 damage, you're doing 500 dps.

I am hitting a button every second.
You are hitting a button every 5 seconds.
My playstyle, therefore, is faster, even though you kill things faster since it only takes you one button to kill where it takes me five.

If you're not killing things faster to the degree you're like doing half my damage, you're not getting invited to groups. That's some "faster playstyle" you got there.

[Daetur]

But that's where it's failing hard. It's like really really far behind arms right now. How are you faster if I do more dps?

"Faster" in regards to specs is referring to the number of actions the player must take within a set window of time- not about kill speed.

If I play Arms and need to press 5 buttons in 5 seconds, and Joe plays Fury and needs to press 10 buttons in 5 seconds, which of us has to play faster? That's why people say Fury is a "faster" spec- it's about the way the spec handles, not about its kill speed.

[Shakou]

"Faster" in regards to specs is referring to the number of actions the player must take within a set window of time- not about kill speed.

If I play Arms and need to press 5 buttons in 5 seconds, and Joe plays Fury and needs to press 10 buttons in 5 seconds, which of us has to play faster? That's why people say Fury is a "faster" spec- it's about the way the spec handles, not about its kill speed.

I don't feel faster when my damage is as bad as fury right now. I feel like I'm wasting my time.

[Daetur]

I don't feel faster when my damage is as bad as fury right now. I feel like I'm wasting my time.

I'm just explaining to you how the nomenclature of "faster" is used when describing Fury. It's not a subjective description, because of what we're using it to measure when people say it "plays faster."

You're talking about kill speed, not rotation.

[Shakou]

Who's going to win in a footrace, Usain Bolt or like some 5 year old kid. Pretty sure it's Usain Bolt.

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Fury is a hard spec to play.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA no it's not.