Why are the Horde always the aggressors

[Minikin]

I think both factions have their good and their bad guys. Alliance had Arthas and Lady Prestor. Horde had Garrosh and .. probably.. Sylvanas. Alliance has Tirion Fordring and the Wrynn clan as good guys, Horde has Thrall ("Green Jesus") and the Tauren people, who are peaceful giants.

Alliance had more bad guys than horde i think sometimes.

Prestor was not alliance. Prestor was a black dragon working to dismantle the alliance since before Anduin was even born. Daval prestor, katrana prestor etc etc.

On topic:
There are crazies on both sides. And honestly it's simply miscommunication that gets this faction war going. I'm sure if the two ever sat down over a beer, they'd be like "shit....I thhought u did...u mean....oh damn".

[Mahmeya]

Battle for Azeroth - it's alliance from my point of view. Genn Graymane destroyed Sylvanas future because he is tripping that she killed his son when she actually aimed for Genn and idiot son ran to save his father. Sylvannas even says that the arrow was not meant to be wasted on a whelp and she was working under the orders of Garrosh Hellscream that wanted port in northern lordaeron.

Because Azeroth would surely be a better place if she managed to enslave the val'kyr.
Nope.
Genn's actions in Stormheim were hit and miss but the distrust had its reasons. Plus, she attacked Gilneas first.

[JustRob]

Draenor: orc manipulated by the legion
First war: orc manipulated by the legion
Second war: spillover of first war (Orgrim taking over Gul'dan)
Third war: includes orc manipulated by the legion (Nerzhul the Lich King)
Cataclysm: orc overcome by the legacy of ... orc manipulated by the legion (Grom - Garrosh)
MoP: the orc above, eventually manipulated by old gods

See the pattern? Orcs are easy to manipulate. Now, Sylvanas break the pattern, true. We're still to see her true motives.

Also, keep in mind that most of the alliance had a fair share of bad stuff happen to them, they had enough of the war and are more likely to make a warmonger among them stand on its own (Garithos, Daelin) or try to put them back in line.

Manipulated is too easy. Gul'dan knew exactly what he was doing and what he was getting in return. He was only screwed over by the Legion because he grew impatient and caused the Horde to lose the war, otherwise he would've gotten his prize.

And also Warlords of Draenor showed that orcs are gonna go on a conquest anyway, demon masters or no. If there's a prize to be had, the orcs will slaughter anyone in their way to get it.

[Venziir]

What? That was like forever ago, he didn't formally declare war, and nobody acted on it.

You can't start your thread by mentioning the First and Second War and then talk about how the Wrathgate incident was "forever ago"....

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]Sylvanas was trying to enslave a group of angelic beings to use as 1-ups, and Genn stopped her from doing that. There's no Alliance aggression there. [/B]

And that's my point, everything Genn does, everything the Alliance does is a reaction to what the Horde does. Genn didn't give a flying fuck about Sylvanas until she invaded his country and killed his people. Garrosh told her to is a weak excuse. She didn't give a fuck about Garrosh and he didn't give a fuck about her. They didn't even end up using Gilneas' harbor for anything, they just left it to rot.

... No, the aggression started before that, when he attacked her ships without reason

[JustRob]

You can't start your thread by mentioning the First and Second War and then talk about how the Wrathgate incident was "forever ago"....

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... No, the aggression started before that, when he attacked her ships without reason

Still, Varian didn't formally declare war. He stated his disgust for them and wanted to go a round with Thrall before he was ported out. Then only a small time later he let Saurfang, a high ranking Horde member, collect his son's corpse. You don't do that if you're at war. Tensions were high, but there was no war going on.

His reason is she killed his son and plagued and damned his nation.

[Venziir]

Still, Varian didn't formally declare war. He stated his disgust for them and wanted to go a round with Thrall before he was ported out. Then only a small time later he let Saurfang, a high ranking Horde member, collect his son's corpse. You don't do that if you're at war. Tensions were high, but there was no war going on.

His reason is she killed his son and plagued and damned his nation.

"A round"? He wanted to kill him, his soldiers and then march on Orgrimmar

[JustRob]

"A round"? He wanted to kill him, his soldiers and then march on Orgrimmar

Oh come on. That's reaching. There's no way to tell what he would do in the long term from that brief interaction. He was angry and he wanted to see some Horde blood. That's it.

[Venziir]

Oh come on. That's reaching. There's no way to tell what he would do in the long term from that brief interaction. He was angry and he wanted to see some Horde blood. That's it.

"Wanted to see Horde blood", yes that equals killing

[JustRob]

"Wanted to see Horde blood", yes that equals killing

But not war

And also the whole thing you're talking about is a result of actions of the Forsaken. Yeah Putress using it against them wasn't part of the plan but that super deadly plague definitely was. So once again, an Alliance reaction to the Horde's actions.

[--Code--]

Arthas was human and alliance before he became LK. Corruption is a theme in WoW and both factions have had leaders corrupted by shit.

[yetgdhfgh]

You could argue the Alliance are the agressors this time cause of Genn Greymane.

Dont forget Sylvanas saved Varians life in the Legion cutscene but because the Horde had to do a tactical retreat otherwise they wouldve been blasted by 6 legion space ships the allies who still had a bone to pick (no pun) wanted there pound of flesh and that was Genn and Jaina.

Anduin didnt want revenge it was Genn who attacked the forsaken at Stormheim and her plans to enslave the Valkyr had nothing to do with the alliance cause the Vrykrul dont care for the alliance especially Humans.

Had they just let her get what she wanted which is eternal life then we might not even have a war in BfA!

But now Sylvanas has learnt there can never be peace so one side must destroy the other otherwise we will always be stuck in this cold war waiting for another 'misunderstanding' to happen.

[Deleted]

In short, because the Horde are the bad guys. They try to add some depth to it, but at the end of they day every game needs an antagonist and the horde is the antagonist for the alliance, wich are the united human like races with wich we identify ourselves with more.

[Weeps]

The alliance are guilty of starting "microaggressions" while the horde is responsible for starting the entire war.

[Deleted]

See the pattern? Orcs are easy to manipulate. Now, Sylvanas break the pattern, true. We're still to see her true motives.

Sylvanas - Created by human death knight manipulated by orc shaman manipulated by the legion

orcs and legion all the fucking time....

at least we destroyed one link of that chain

[JustRob]

The legion are / were the bad guys. The old gods are the bad guys. The void lords are the new bad guys. And everything which evolved from them becomes corrupted. Be it Lady Prestor and her father from he black dragon swam, which was corrupted by old gods, be it the orcs from outland, which were corrupted by the legion. Be it Arthas, which was corrupted by the legion, once again.

Op likes to ignore that.

Even the light itself blinds its followers. See velen who left his home behind.

I don't ignore it but nothing of this has to do with the Horde / Alliance war.

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Op: Mimimi, horde always bad!

While it always was a third party.

What a pathetic thread.

Grow up kid. You don't even know what the thread is about. All of your posts are some random bullshit about Arthas and Prestor and whatever the fuck. They have nothing to do with it.

[Lochton]

I might've lost a page or two but weren't the Alliance the ones striking at the Horde activity in Silithus first?

[JustRob]

I might've lost a page or two but weren't the Alliance the ones striking at the Horde activity in Silithus first?

The Horde arrived first so they would mine and weaponize the Azerite, the Alliance comes in later and fights them for it.

[JustRob]

Or was it the dark titan who stuck his sword into azeroth to both awaken N'Zoth who dwells deep under and to let the blood of Azeroth destroy the weak tie between alliance and horde as like Khadgar says?

Please stop derailing the thread. Everyone knows who the greater villains are behind the picture. Btw N'Zoth is an aquatic Old God and does not reside in Silithus. Sargeras stabbed Azeroth in a last fit of rage and it happened to be in Silithus. Or he was trying to strike at C'Thun who may or may not be alive.

Regardless, this is about the war between the Horde and the Alliance. No, Sargeras did not stab Azeroth so that it would bleed and that the Alliance and the Horde would harvest its blood.

[FelPlague]

Its been a bit, but weren't the Alliance the aggressors in Stormheim? and both mutally antagonistic in mop (in terms of military not Garroshs background plans)?

technicly yes, but sylvanas went to stormheim with then to secure the aegis, but she also had a secret mission to "steal the power of the V" so the alliance was not happy with this and felt she would use it on them (like she would have)
they were allies at the point, and they should have been telling eachother their plans.

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I might've lost a page or two but weren't the Alliance the ones striking at the Horde activity in Silithus first?

Silithus is a neutral zone
The Horde finds a super powerful resource there and starts mining without telling the alliance (this is a neutral zone so that is a VERY bad thing)
the legion is defeated, what reason would sylvanas have to collect a super powerful resource? hmmm
the alliance sends spies to find out what is going on and the horde kills them on sight.
so the alliance sends in a full force to secure the place because at the point this is obvious that sylvanas is collecting this stuff in again a neutral zone and does not want the alliance to find it.
even after this anduin tries to make peace with sylv but she says fuck off and attacks the tree, wanting to make sure ther alliance has no access to azerite.

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Or was it the dark titan who stuck his sword into azeroth to both awaken N'Zoth who dwells deep under and to let the blood of Azeroth destroy the weak tie between alliance and horde as like Khadgar says?

he literally did not care about those he simply wanted to kill azeroth, he wanted to corrupt her to be his, but us pulling away he pulled a "i cant have her no one can" and stabbed it.

[Lochton]

Or was it the dark titan who stuck his sword into azeroth to both awaken N'Zoth who dwells deep under and to let the blood of Azeroth destroy the weak tie between alliance and horde as like Khadgar says?

Eh, nope. The destruction of ties is the reaction of mortal creations on Azeroth as they find something that can either create or destroy. You know some in the Alliance wants to destroy as much as some in the Horde wishes to create. I meant, the Horde sniffed it out and the Alliance wanted in on it.