As Horde, i have no motivation to hate the alliance

[Adp]

We should just drop the pretense and accept the fact that the Alliance should be torn asunder and their corpses burned only for the simple fact that they are Alliance and are in the Horde's way. We don't need anything more than that. The nation states of Azeroth aren't developed enough to practice sophisticated economic imperialism therefore we must remove the Alliance from their homesteads, take their lands and resources and claim it as ours. History disregards the weak. A pox on the alliance and their ilk. Death is all that awaits them and they should be grateful for its arrival.

[Leodric]

We should just drop the pretense and accept the fact that the Alliance should be torn asunder and their corpses burned only for the simple fact that they are Alliance and are in the Horde's way. We don't need anything more than that. The nation states of Azeroth aren't developed enough to practice sophisticated economic imperialism therefore we must remove the Alliance from their homesteads, take their lands and resources and claim it as ours. History disregards the weak. A pox on the alliance and their ilk. Death is all that awaits them and they should be grateful for its arrival.

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Infracted.

[Daevelian]

We should just drop the pretense and accept the fact that the Alliance should be torn asunder and their corpses burned only for the simple fact that they are Alliance and are in the Horde's way. We don't need anything more than that. The nation states of Azeroth aren't developed enough to practice sophisticated economic imperialism therefore we must remove the Alliance from their homesteads, take their lands and resources and claim it as ours. History disregards the weak. A pox on the alliance and their ilk. Death is all that awaits them and they should be grateful for its arrival.

Too. Much. EDGE.

[Tharivor]

You are all ignoring a very important factor: Alliance players by and large do NOT WANT the Alliance to become more like the Horde. That is why they chose to play Alliance.

The way the factions were set up in warcraft has always been:
Horde - be aggressive for no reason at all; burn, steal and plunder even if you do not need the resources gained from it. If there are no Non-Horde to fight...just fight against yourself. The Horde is in essence a bully, who cannot coexist with anybody or anything. Of course there are exceptions - like Thrall or the Tauren...and that#s exactly why they are looked down upon by the Horde by and large.
Alliance - Take care of your own matters and only fight to defend yourself.

If you believe it or not, but a lot of players actually do not like the way the Horde is and would simply quit the game if the Alliance became a growling mob like them.

If Blizzard pushes the Allaince to become more like the Horde, many players will simply leave the game for good. Why is that so hard to understand? You can easily see this by comparing how many players of both factions engage in PvP or roll on PvP servers (whose only mechanical difference is to allow you to bully other players)...or just look at this poll right here. Blizzard has done EVERYTHING in their power to make the Alliance angry...and we just don't like it.

Seeing Teldrassil burn does not make me want to kill Horde players. Why would it? It would not bring the Tree back. It just makes me sad and consider dropping the game because why play if there is nothing in this world i can enjoy?

This is also the reason why faction-based PvP will ALWAYS fail. Horde will always be more active in PvP leading to all kinds of imbalance and wait time issues.

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And just to clarify...i am not trying to talk down on the Horde or put the Alliance way on a pedastal. They are just different. Being aggressive for no reason in a video game is FINE. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. But so is finding this attitude to be immature and going for the "other" option, which is the Alliance. The factions are not the same and the mindset of the players is to a large extend not the same. Which is actually good for the game, but it also means that there never will be a real "morally grey" conflict that both factions can identify with. In the end, there is the fundamental difference that the only reason for the Horde to exist is to destroy the Alliance. While the Alliance can and wants to exist just fine with or without a Horde - we simply don't care about it. This obsession with the "faction conflict" is pretty much Horde-exclusive...and it is part of why i consider the Horde just too immature to enjoy playing its quests.

Did you play WoW before Cata? Because for the entirety of Vanilla, BC, and most of WoLK (Garrosh excepted) the Horde didn't give a shit about "destroying the Alliance" (lol) and was focused, as stated in game and in just about every out-of-game official literature, on being "a disparate group of outcasts trying to survive in a world that rejected them". THAT is the fundamental nature of the Horde, which shouldn't be surprising really since that's how Blizzard themselves even now consistently describes them and its Blizzard who gets to decide what the fundamental nature of their in-game factions are. The only time the Horde deviated from this trope was under Garrosh in Cata and MoP and now under Sylvanas in BfA, and even then in WoD and Legion the Horde returned to its old modus operandi (regardless of what you think about Sylvanas in Stormheim her goal is explicitly stated as securing the survival of the Forsaken).

I'll agree with you that unlike the Alliance the Horde has the potential for extreme aggression, but this is more to do with the Horde being the faction of "outcasts" who have to wrestle with their desire for revenge against their perceived oppressors (even Garrosh was fuelled by a misplaced sense of grievance against the Alliance) and the need to forge a new brighter path if they are to avoid the mistakes of the past. But arguing that Thrall's New Horde (the only playable Horde in the WoW MMO) is based around unmitigated aggression and a constant desire to destroy the Alliance is laughable, unless perhaps you only joined WoW in Cata and before that played only Orcs and Humans in which case I would advise you to read up on the lore.

[Mehrunes]

That is the problem, the alliance Needs to be the one who fights back and ACtually starts winning ANY battle, so far Despite lroewise alliance have 5-1 the numbers of horde races, atleast Equel(if not more mages) More tech(gnomes and dreanie vs goblin) They somehow always get their teeth kick in.

Do give a source for those numbers.

[Zulkhan]

The way the factions were set up in warcraft has always been:
Horde - be aggressive for no reason at all; burn, steal and plunder even if you do not need the resources gained from it.

Really? What's the Horde's point of existence in WoW for you? Pissing on the Alliance for the sake of it? No wonder so many of you seem to suffer from some terrible victim complex of sort.

[Dagoth Ur]

Really? What's the Horde's point of existence in WoW for you? Pissing on the Alliance for the sake of it? No wonder so many of you seem to suffer from some terrible victim complex of sort.

Hey, you can't be all high and righteous without someone to abhor and frown upon! It just losses its charm! It's actually funny how much Allies need Horde to enjoy their self proclaimed good guy identity when you think about it.

[ButterBeast]

I play horde and I just want to be a chill Mag'har Priest of the Blackrock Clan and commune with my ancestrals while adventuring in the magical world of the Azeroth.

But no.

The Horde and Alliance defeated the Devil, but now we have to fight eachother because Sylvanas is dense, has plot armor, and Gallywix wants to get more rich by funding this war. GREAT!

Sounds like a boring ass game you want to play.

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It's world of warcraft not world of peacecraft.

[TheRagebear]

Night elves can not be forgiven for their genocide of the Shatterspear Tribe.

The dancing idiots that thought that attacking the night elves while entirely split away from the rest of the Horde forces in their deathtrap of a home canyon? You should be thanking the night elves for that. The troll race's average IQ rose by about 4 points that day.

[Zulkhan]

The dancing idiots that thought that attacking the night elves while entirely split away from the rest of the Horde forces in their deathtrap of a home canyon? You should be thanking the night elves for that. The troll race's average IQ rose by about 4 points that day.

Not really that "split away", since there were plenty of Horde enforcers alongside them, being a campaign supported and desired by Garrosh himself. And seriously, let the IQ jokes rest whethever the words "Night Elf" are near them.

[TheRagebear]

Not really that "split away", since there were plenty of Horde enforcers alongside them, being a campaign supported and desired by Garrosh himself. And seriously, let the IQ jokes rest whethever the words "Night Elf" are near them.

When they lose their home to murlocs you can dictate what jokes we're allowed to make. The Darkspear are also bringing down the troll race's average score as a whole.

[Katchii]

Sounds like a boring ass game you want to play.

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It's world of warcraft not world of peacecraft.

Really? That old saying? It needs to be retired because that is not at all what anyone is saying, or wants...and it sounds ridiculous.

The factions don't have to be mindlessly going at each others throats for their to be conflict. For the entirety of WoW, all of the end game threats we've faced have been universal threats to both factions, Garrosh included, those that's debated somewhat. The HvA conflict was only ever a thing during leveling, because once you hit max level the big bad took precedence over any conflict between factions.

The faction conflict can stay a core part of the game as it always has in the past without being at the forefront. However there is no point in an all out faction war between Horde and Alliance because for there to be WARcraft as you put it, there will always have to be at least two factions...so this war will go nowhere.

[Zulkhan]

When they lose their home to murlocs you can dictate what jokes we're allowed to make. The Darkspear are also bringing down the troll race's average score as a whole.

Again, let it rest while Night Elves are around. Few races have bathed into catastrophically endangering stupidity as hard as they did.

[TheRagebear]

Again, let it rest while Night Elves are around. Few races have bathed into catastrophically endangering stupidity as hard as they did.

Yeah well, it's easier when your average lifespan is longer than 20 and the primary cause of death isn't tribal warfare. Of course I suppose even when a troll does manage to live that long their chances of murdering their own gods out of some insatiable bloodlust and suicidal insanity drastically increases. How are all them empires doing?

[Heladys]

The game didn't give me any good reason to hate the horde. Forums did that.

[Kwento]

Yeah well, it's easier when your average lifespan is longer than 20 and the primary cause of death isn't tribal warfare. Of course I suppose even when a troll does manage to live that long their chances of murdering their own gods out of some insatiable bloodlust and suicidal insanity drastically increases. How are all them empires doing?

Murder their own gods? You mean that one time in Zul’Drak and then in future in BFA? Yeah...
And Zandalari Empire is the oldest Empire still alive. Fun fact, Zuldazar would stand even after night elves have yet another of their capital destroyed. At least this time they didn’t do it themselves!

[Zulkhan]

How are all them empires doing?

As good as the elven one, it seems.

[TheRagebear]

Murder their own gods? You mean that one time in Zul’Drak and then in future in BFA? Yeah...
And Zandalari Empire is the oldest Empire still alive. Fun fact, Zuldazar would stand even after night elves have yet another of their capital destroyed. At least this time they didn’t do it themselves!

Zul'drak, Zul'aman and Zul'gurub twice. It's kind of the go-to plot for every troll raid.

[Kwento]

Zul'drak, Zul'aman and Zul'gurub twice. It's kind of the go-to plot for every troll raid.

In Zul’aman or in Zul’Gurub there were no Loa killing. Read the quests, Amani Gods supported their people’s crusade against blood elves. In fact you can see the same Gods later giving Zandalari advice in Zul’Drak.
In Zul’Gurub raid Hakkar took control of high priests of several Loa and drew power from these beings. In dungeon, priests were just that - priests of their Gods.

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The dancing idiots that thought that attacking the night elves while entirely split away from the rest of the Horde forces in their deathtrap of a home canyon? You should be thanking the night elves for that. The troll race's average IQ rose by about 4 points that day.

Yeah, Shatterspear tribe didn’t know about Garrosh’s contempt towards trolls. Thankfully remnants of that tribe would have their barbecue soon enough.

[A Chozo]

Sounds like a boring ass game you want to play.

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It's world of warcraft not world of peacecraft.

Yeah bro, Classic, tBC, WotLK Cata, WoD and Legion were so peaceful. In all those expansions, we didn't engage in wars against the most varied factions like the Blackrock Mountain forces, Old God forces, Illidari, The Scourge, the Twilight's Hammer, the Iron Horde and the Burning Legion. It was all peace.

No one is asking for zero conflicts in World of Warcraft - read the thread carefully next time. We are asking Blizzard to actually give reason to our current conflict, because right now there is no good reason to fight against the oposite faction. Azerite is an asspull to create war.