Is it time for the United States to bring its armies home?

[Deleted]

They should have but England didnt bring it home either so I'm not sure anymore

[Laerrus]

I don't think you have a choice. The US is trillions of dollars in debt. Your military is mostly a useless white elephant incapable of dealing with domestic insurgencies. Troops will come home because they have to.

The "debt" doesn't really matter anymore, this is just something that the GOP tries to use to justify pushing for smaller government. The Dollar isn't tied to anything but the good faith and trust of the US Govt., lol.

Oh no, what are we going to do about being in imaginary debt with imaginary currency?

lol.

[nToxik]

We Want YOU in Space!

SPACE FORCE

[Cradyz]

No, it's American military strategy to have a presence all over the world. The US is after all the global hegemon and being that requires you to at least be able to project force anywhere at any time. Which is a good thing as I'd rather have to US be the global policeman than that void being filled by some shit dictatorships like Russia or China.

[The Stormbringer]

Is there something they need to do here?

The same thing that our armed forces did after WW2, rebuilding infrastructure, building new highways and roads, creating dams, etcetera.

[Realitytrembles]

Yes, we should. Were it up to me:

withdraw from all military alliances

withdraw from the UN, inform them they have 2 years to gtfo of NY

withdraw all US military forces from everywhere in the world outside of the 50 states/territories/commonwealths

Proclaim a 21st century version of the Monroe Doctrine; making it very clear that the US will use nuclear weapons to enforce it

/popcorn as Eurasia burns with several wars

And when they realize whose presence was keeping things tamped down?

[Kapadons]

The US and it’s military are far from perfect. But we are Currently in the most peaceful period in human existence and that can’t be hand waved away. The US military and defense has a large something to do with that. You may not like hem acting like world police, but a great many countries benefit from not having to worry about being invaded or spend on defense because the US is there. Canada being a prime example.

[Deleted]

Yes, but given that 11% of Americans cannot locate the US on a map. They will surely will never be able to.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...perSurvey.html

[Mihalik]

Israel is the source of conflict in the Middle East, Europe gave birth to Israel when it expelled over a million European Jews at the end of WWII.

The US has achieved some goals in fixing this, Egypt and Jordan have declared peace with Israel, Iraq is now ruled by Shiites and not the Sunnis that the colonials put in power. We failed to put the Sunnis in power in Syria and the Shiites still rule that.

Afghanistan has problems but it's somewhat stable.

Saudi Arabia looks ready to join the global community of nations. I think there is hope for Iran in the future, soon as they give up their religious leadership.

So some of the work is done, not all of it. Europeans creating Israel and colonizing Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq really fucked the place up.

Your obsession with blaming Israel is very strange. Yes. The Middle East doesn't like Israel, but nobody is seriously threatening them militarily. Even Bibi's obsession with Iran has more to do with pandering to Israeli right than with any serious to threat to Israel.

Alas the solution to the Israeli problem is the two state solution which has never been implemented due to US resistance to it.

Yes Sykes Picot carries part of the blame for the instability in the Middle East but the main culprit is failure of Pan Arabism and the US support for Islamist movements as a counter to socialism in the Middle East.

Saudi Arabia is part of the international community due to its alliance to the US, but in reality it is wholly incompatible with the international community. It is the state sponsor of terrorism by excellence, it is in effect ISIS that made it. It is the ideological source and cradle Islamic fundamentalism and it is its primary financial backer.

Not to mention it is actively engaged in various proxy wars with Iran and war crimes in Yemen. Not to mention that it is more theocratic and more extreme than Iran is by measure.

Afghanistan is not stable. As of January this year the government controlled less than half of the country and had full control of only about 30%. I have no idea where you got this idea that Afghanistan is stable. It's just we have literally given up vast areas of the country and we aren't even trying to contest it anymore.

In the absence of foreign troops the country would collapse in weeks, according to most analysts.

Also words matter. As does their meaning. Jews weren't expelled from.Europe after WW2, but there was a feeling that after everything that happened they deserved a homeland, whether that sentiment was misguided or not is an entirely different debate. Also, the US did not oppose the creation of Israel and it supported the project.

[Mormolyce]

I love how the right has done a complete 180 on this issue since the last time they were in power LOL.

Yes, we should. Were it up to me:

withdraw from all military alliances

withdraw from the UN, inform them they have 2 years to gtfo of NY

withdraw all US military forces from everywhere in the world outside of the 50 states/territories/commonwealths

Proclaim a 21st century version of the Monroe Doctrine; making it very clear that the US will use nuclear weapons to enforce it

/popcorn as Eurasia burns with several wars

And when they realize whose presence was keeping things tamped down?

Yeah, you did those things out of the goodness of your heart. Not to, oh I don't know, cynically push your own foreign policy objectives through third parties and an illusion of multilateralism.

But I guess the cat's out of the bag now.

[Raldazzar]

a large part of having a presence in other countries is less about dominance and more about force projection. the ability to respond quickly to things etc..

[petej0]

https://abcnews.go.com/2020/GiveMeAB...=123743&page=1

Whats the point of the story? While the host nation may want us out, they want the economic cash flow that young US soldiers stationed in those bases bring to their country.

[Forgottenone]

If countries want the US out then have the US troops come home. If the countries later want US assistance they can initiate talks with the US to have troops assist them. I'd leave it up to the government of other countries.

[Annu]

For Europe I would say: Yes, definitively!

I am sick of our countries acting like spoiled kids, always calling for daddy america when we are having a problem, while blaming the US for everything bad in the world.

When the US troops are gone, maybe our countries will grow up and learn to take care of themselves.

[Kapadons]

Yes, but given that 11% of Americans cannot locate the US on a map. They will surely will never be able to.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...perSurvey.html

I too often post surveys from 16 years ago to show something that doesn’t have anything to do with the topic.

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For Europe I would say: Yes, definitively!

I am sick of our countries acting like spoiled kids, always calling for daddy america when we are having a problem, while blaming the US for everything bad in the world.

When the US troops are gone, maybe our countries will grow up and learn to take care of themselves.

Or, more likely, blow each other up. It’s not like that’s ever happened ...

[Unholyground]

For now it is a necessary evil unfortunately, in about 20 years we won't see human armed forces ever again because we will have full on Terminator style androids in the field replacing humans.

[Mihalik]

Yes, we should. Were it up to me:

withdraw from all military alliances

withdraw from the UN, inform them they have 2 years to gtfo of NY

withdraw all US military forces from everywhere in the world outside of the 50 states/territories/commonwealths

Proclaim a 21st century version of the Monroe Doctrine; making it very clear that the US will use nuclear weapons to enforce it

/popcorn as Eurasia burns with several wars

And when they realize whose presence was keeping things tamped down?

Careful not to cut yourself on all that edge. 2edgyforme.

The reality is that if the world goes down the gutter the US goes with it. The US is still on the same planet as the rest of the world. Large world wars tend to be more contagious than the fucking plague, as we already learned twice. Plus now we live in a time when even a half starving shithole of a country the size of fucking Jersey can build nukes and ICBMs.

The nuclear deterrent works two ways. Either no one else has nukes or if we do use nukes we all use nukes and die together.

Your imaginary edgelord world would either turn into a shithole or new structures would arise where countries like China run the world.

[ranzino]

No it stopped because of the EU, it was even one of the main purposes for it.

EU was the Nobel Peace Laureat of 2012

The Nobel Peace Prize 2012 was awarded to European Union (EU) "for over six decades contributed to the advancement of peace and reconciliation, democracy and human rights in Europe". https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_pri...aureates/2012/

[Deleted]

There seem to be a lot of threads like this of late:

Dumb redneck: We should take our army home! Take that world.

World : Yeah, fuck off then.

Dumb redneck: WE SHOWED YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Deleted]

Yeah abandon all responsability, all allies and friends. Seems to be right up Trumps alley. Because just letting China and Russia go wild is gonna consolidate US power. Right? RIGHT?!

What allies and friends, outside of Israel and Saudi-Arabian? Everybody hates america and everybody would be happy to nuke it into oblivion.