Robots may have given Trump an edge in 2016

[Weeps]

I just see people on the right reacting, flailing against the inevitablity of their manufacturing jobs becoming obsolete while technicians/mechanics/(insert any computer related occupation) jobs soar.

It's like the Republicans are people in Africa crying about how crops aren't growing in the sand. They aren't even the party of fiscal responsibility to begin with.

Move. Get a real job. Git some edumacashun.

[Theodarzna]

I just see people on the right reacting, flailing against the inevitablity of their manufacturing jobs becoming obsolete while technicians/mechanics/(insert any computer related occupation) jobs soar.

It's like the Republicans are people in Africa crying about how crops aren't growing in the sand. They aren't even the party of fiscal responsibility to begin with.

Move. Get a real job. Git some edumacashun.

You know, in the field of Social Justice this is often called Victim Blaming.

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You clearly don’t understand what the point of the op is.

It’s notbsaying robots voted for trump. It’s saying that automation is wreaking havoc in employment and causing people to become dissatisfied with the status quo

HAHAHA obviously! And know what? the last 200 years you only produced people that can easily be replaced by AI. All your "jobs" are uselss. Your whole mind about "jobs" is useless. And it took some American nerds to show it to the world. And guess what - it will not be for humanities sake, but for progress. And absolutely nobody calculates humans into that term.

[Weeps]

You know, in the field of Social Justice this is often called Victim Blaming.

Not even remotely close. Victim blaming only pertains to crime.

This is pointing out republicans voting against their own self interests and not being realistic with the future job changes.

Hell... in many red states they were given the chance to learn new technical jobs and refused to.

GIMME DEM COAL JERBZ

[Techno-Druid]

@Theodarzna @Weeps

As someone with family in West Virginia, I actually understand the mindset somewhat. West Virginia and similar states have historically been poor with only a few options: coal or military. As a result, coal has become a part of their culture, to the point where many can't imagine a West Virginia or a {insert poor red state} where coal isn't a part of that state. I think we need to find a way to appeal to these unskilled workers. Perhaps solar? wind? vertical farming? I would be lying if I said I don't really know that viable of a solution other than UBI and even then I doubt many of the older West Virginians would neccesarily even accept.

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HAHAHA obviously! And know what? the last 200 years you only produced people that can easily be replaced by AI. All your "jobs" are uselss. Your whole mind about "jobs" is useless. And it took some American nerds to show it to the world. And guess what - it will not be for humanities sake, but for progress. And absolutely nobody calculates humans into that term.

Are you implying that the current status quo has been around for two centuries and that, had it been a different one, we never would have had this problem?

Genuinely curious.

[PC2]

I think robots, automation, or technology in general is neutral to left/right politics.

[jazen]

Maybe stop making excuses. Real people voted for him and to this day support him. And they are many. And if some way to make people go vote for him existed, it was not very efficient. Could have been a lot more. Then again the best way to manipulate people is always via education system, breeding people who vote for whatever shit presented their whole life.

Apparently fewer 'real' people voted for Trump, than Hillary. Also, you do realize that even if the vote was split 50/50, that still only represents about 25% of the voting age population, far from a mandate to anything but work with the other side.

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See, this is a false issue.
If the issue was automation causing joblessness we would have significantly higher unemployment.
The issue here is wage stagnation. Automation has offered massive increases in profit and only nominal if any increases in wages. The financial crisis was used as an excuse to pause wages completely in some places, if not regress them. The issue is that the state has performed abysmally in securing the rights of workers over employers.

The state is run by and for the wealthy, is it any surprise that the policies and regulations exacerbate the issues of wealth distribution inequity?

[Draco-Onis]

You know, in the field of Social Justice this is often called Victim Blaming.

I disagree while I have empathy for these people on some level especially the old they don't seem to want to move on and learn new skills to survive. They are counting on Trump bringing their jobs back not knowing or caring that even if their dying industry came back their jobs have been taken by machines.

[lockedout]

So robots convinced democrats to vote republican? Gotcha.

[PC2]

No, but economic anger in a country that has been conditioned to detest socialism will lean right.

Technology and economic anger effects both left and right. At least as many lefties are angry about their economic situation, such as not having good careers.

[lummiuster]

I mean, they might be linked but only by people who aren't thinking very hard.

Neither party is going to do anything about automation. The Republicans are far more business-friendly, meaning they oppose basically anything that would prevent a company from driving its costs down, and that includes labor costs. They also oppose the social safety nets that help people who lost their jobs, which democrats tend to favor.

If people voted for Trump because they thought he would stop automation, I don't know what to say. If it's cost-effective to replace you with a robot, your company is going to do it.

Honestly I preferred Hillary's agenda better in all aspect except 1. She kept insisting we should show more force to russia and she seemed like she was pushing for a conflict with russia. I rather vote for the worst guy on earth (Trump) than start a war with another super power.

[Ehrenpanzer]

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This is honestly pretty worrisome if the all the issues surrounding the Trump presidency and the rise in identity politics/tribalism are only a taste of things to come. Although I'm also somewhat optimistic in the belief that we will figure out a way to eventually solve this potential instability in the long term.

Guess those Hillary supporters need SOMETHING grasp to, seeing as the reality of her just being a shit candidate and running an even shittier campaign would be far too much for their "everyone is a winner" egos to manage...

[Techno-Druid]

So robots convinced democrats to vote republican? Gotcha.

No...did you even read the article?

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Guess those Hillary supporters need SOMETHING grasp to, seeing as the reality of her just being a shit candidate and running an even shittier campaign would be far too much for their "everyone is a winner" egos to manage...

Why is this suddenly about Hillary Clinton?

[PC2]

The reasonable response to wage stagnation is to go hard left. Hard left does not even exist in the US. So the anger goes to the other side cause the center cannot offer them anything.

No that's your opinion as a leftist that the correct response is to go hard left. Right wingers look instead towards job creation and making it an employees market. Two different philosophies.

[NED funded]

Honestly I prefer the takes of our conservative friends here. People didn't vote for Trump because of economic anxiety or some bullshit like that, they vote for Trump because they saw he wanted to build a wall, waterboard people, deport all illegal immigrants and agreed with all of it. The idea that if only they had a job things would be different is condescending af.

[PC2]

Job creation in a market at nearly full employment? Priceless.

There can be more job openings and labor demand even at full employment. An employees market helps incentivize higher wages.

[Gestopft]

So robots convinced democrats to vote republican? Gotcha.

Someone didn't read the article. If it isn't obvious, that someone is you.

[Theodarzna]

@Theodarzna @Weeps

As someone with family in West Virginia, I actually understand the mindset somewhat. West Virginia and similar states have historically been poor with only a few options: coal or military. As a result, coal has become a part of their culture, to the point where many can't imagine a West Virginia or a {insert poor red state} where coal isn't a part of that state. I think we need to find a way to appeal to these unskilled workers. Perhaps solar? wind? vertical farming? I would be lying if I said I don't really know that viable of a solution other than UBI and even then I doubt many of the older West Virginians would neccesarily even accept.

I don't think its the industry that matters so much as the geographic location and the communal integrity. If you can save the town and prevent it from evaporating away, than you can settle these issues.

[Noxx79]

So robots convinced democrats to vote republican? Gotcha.

And another to the list who didn’t read or comprehend the article.

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Guess those Hillary supporters need SOMETHING grasp to, seeing as the reality of her just being a shit candidate and running an even shittier campaign would be far too much for their "everyone is a winner" egos to manage...

So it’s not about understanding the needs and wants of blue collar Americans?

Can you guys pick a reason and stick with it?

[Ehrenpanzer]

And another to the list who didn’t read or comprehend the article.

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So it’s not about understanding the needs and wants of blue collar Americans?

Can you guys pick a reason and stick with it?

Hillary was out of touch with a LOT of people, its the Hillary supporters that need to constantly switch excuses for why she lost (mysgony, Russia, the FBI, Christians,racists, Fox News, the voting system, and so on...). People wanted massive change, which is why Trump and Sanders were so popular, the message of "I'm not Trump and we'll keep the status quo" didnt really resonant with voters, but especially with those over the last 20 years since Bill, who watched their jobs go overseas or to Mexico thanks to lower or non-existent tariffs making it more profitable for those companies to exploit 3rd world countries.