Trump and Putin Helsinki Meeting

[Paranoid Android]

So Yesterday the Orange Turd did his "there are good people on both sides". They gave him the complete bull bleep excuse of "would" vs "wouldn't" so Trumpkins could drool and say "see, you guys were wrong".

Yet, I see that he also stated "could have been other people". So the Cheeto does his Charlotsville. Here is his quote:

“Let me be totally clear in saying that … I accept our intelligence community’s conclusion,” Trump said, reading from a prepared script. He then added: “It could be other people also. There’s a lot of people out there.”

http://time.com/5341137/donald-trump...ng-correction/

[Canpinter]

Clinton lost because the FBI Chief reopened the email investigation 2 days before the election. A savvy independent might see that on the news and think 'There must be something to this email thing, I'm not going vote for her, she's trouble.'

Remember, the election was very close.

yes it was very close, meaning russia hacking the dnc and releasing all those emails almost certainly helped push trump to victory,

[The Emperor]

Clinton lost because the FBI Chief reopened the email investigation 2 days before the election. A savvy independent might see that on the news and think 'There must be something to this email thing, I'm not going vote for her, she's trouble.'

Remember, the election was very close.

Is that what you tell yourself before you go to sleep?

Because Clinton had the entire MSNBC propaganda machine on her side. There wasn't a day when they failed to call Trump a racist, a sexist or other lies, they tried to smear him day in, day out. But no, to you Clinton lost because of emails, what a joke! It's like saying Hitler was bad because he didn't go to art school.

[tyrlaan]

You're not going to mention the Soviet star on his little US flag pin?

Details, my man. It's in the details.

The bombardment of aural nonsense dulled my other senses.

[Dug]

Is that what you tell yourself before you go to sleep?

Because Clinton had the entire MSNBC propaganda machine on her side. There wasn't a day when they failed to call Trump a racist, a sexist or other lies, they tried to smear him day in, day out. But no, to you Clinton lost because of emails, what a joke! It's like saying Hitler was bad because he didn't go to art school.

If it wasn't effective the Trump campaign wouldn't have made such a strong point of it. She lost for a multitude of reasons but that 11th hour stunt Comey pulled sealed the deal.

[Toppy]

Is that what you tell yourself before you go to sleep?

Because Clinton had the entire MSNBC propaganda machine on her side. There wasn't a day when they failed to call Trump a racist, a sexist or other lies, they tried to smear him day in, day out. But no, to you Clinton lost because of emails, what a joke! It's like saying Hitler was bad because he didn't go to art school.

Trump is a racist, its actually court approved, he's been sued for being a racist. His entire platform was based on getting rid of other races, even ones who were US citizens.
He's also sexist, he has said, openly, many sexist things. Such as his ability to grab any women he wants, or his insistence that "women should dress like women".

Its not bias to report on whats going on if the person they're reporting legit does nothing but shitty things.

[The Emperor]

If it wasn't effective the Trump campaign wouldn't have made such a strong point of it. She lost for a multitude of reasons but that 11th hour stunt Comey pulled sealed the deal.

She would've lost even without him saying anything, but I suspect there's really no point in debating ifs or buts

[Dontrike]

Because Clinton had the entire MSNBC propaganda machine on her side. There wasn't a day when they failed to call Trump a racist, a sexist or other lies, they tried to smear him day in, day out.

You can't smear someone that are the things that you call them.

But no, to you Clinton lost because of emails, what a joke!

You're right, it's actually because Trump had Russia help him, so there's more reason to believe it wasn't just the e-mails.

It's like saying Hitler was bad because he didn't go to art school.

That's a terrible analogy.

[The Emperor]

Trump is a racist, its actually court approved, he's been sued for being a racist. His entire platform was based on getting rid of other races, even ones who were US citizens.
He's also sexist, he has said, openly, many sexist things. Such as his ability to grab any women he wants, or his insistence that "women should dress like women".

Its not bias to report on whats going on if the person they're reporting legit does nothing but shitty things.

The people have spoken. No matter how many lies or misunderstandings you would recite, it changes nothing.

[Dontrike]

The people have spoken. No matter how many lies or misunderstandings you would recite, it changes nothing.

Who are "the people"?

[Dug]

She would've lost even without him saying anything, but I suspect there's really no point in debating ifs or buts

Well yeah because whats done is done.

[The Emperor]

You're right, it's actually because Trump had Russia help him, so there's more reason to believe it wasn't just the e-mails.

Still no proof of that, there's only a strong /belief/ by the intelligence that it might be the case. SO far no direct verifiable evidence, but you'll just continue pushing this conspiracy theory no matter what up until the point Mueller concludes investigation with no result.

[Toppy]

The people have spoken. No matter how many lies or misunderstandings you would recite, it changes nothing.

Well, social media was alight with constant lies about Hillary, outright lies, things that couldn't be attributed to her, and we know that a great deal of this was funded by Russia, once more, that Russia funded this smear campaign is outright fact (the question was shifted towards: did the Russian government fund this, and did the conservative party support it)

Likewise, Trump tended to spend the majority of his debates either ignoring questions, or making up falsehoods about Hillary all the while telling everyone they should ignore all the negative news surrounding him, even though a lot of this news was backed by soundbites of him saying it.

Hillary on the other hand spent her campaign more so based on what she would do as president, not what she would do to other people should she become president. She had tried denying the claims made towards her, whcih wasnt hard since there was no proof, but since it was the majority of Trump's response to her (attack her, not her positions) that wasnt that effective of a strategy.

So yes, I suppose the people have spoken. They have shown themselves unwilling to actually pay attention to anything. They have shown that they'll take ANYTHING as fact so long as its put online or from the mouth of a millionaire.


I dont even like Hillary myself. I dont think she was a strong candidate. But I'm not going to lie to myself and act like Trump's campaign wasn't almost entirely based around making shit up, while Hillary at least tried to stick to a narrative based in reality.

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Still no proof of that, there's only a strong /belief/ by the intelligence that it might be the case. SO far no direct verifiable evidence, but you'll just continue pushing this conspiracy theory no matter what up until the point Mueller concludes investigation with no result.

No, we have known the Russian's interfered for a year now. The question became: Did the government itself fund this (which we recently learned was: yes) and did the republican party support it (and based on the recent NRA scandal, this also seems to be a yes)

[Canpinter]

The people have spoken. No matter how many lies or misunderstandings you would recite, it changes nothing.

the people actually picked Clinton, trump only won because the people that picked him happen to live in the right states

[Projectmars]

the people actually picked clinto, trump only won because the people that picked him happen to live in the right states

Hillary had 4.3 Million more votes than Trump in California, but 2.9 Million more than Trump Nationwide.

[Travis B]

Hillary had 4.3 Million more votes than Trump in California, but 2.9 Million more than Trump Nationwide.

What's your point?

[Toppy]

What's your point?

Even I have to admit that the "she won because popular vote" argument is bullshit.

The country is a wide range of cultures and the electoral collage is put in place to reflect that. Hillary fucked up by ignoring a great number of groups in favor of numbers.

[Projectmars]

What's your point?

California alone is the reason why Hillary won the popular vote. The other 49 states + DC had Trump winning Popular vote.

[The Emperor]

Well, social media was alight with constant lies about Hillary, outright lies, things that couldn't be attributed to her, and we know that a great deal of this was funded by Russia, once more, that Russia funded this smear campaign is outright fact (the question was shifted towards: did the Russian government fund this, and did the conservative party support it)

Likewise, Trump tended to spend the majority of his debates either ignoring questions, or making up falsehoods about Hillary all the while telling everyone they should ignore all the negative news surrounding him, even though a lot of this news was backed by soundbites of him saying it.

Hillary on the other hand spent her campaign more so based on what she would do as president, not what she would do to other people should she become president. She had tried denying the claims made towards her, whcih wasnt hard since there was no proof, but since it was the majority of Trump's response to her (attack her, not her positions) that wasnt that effective of a strategy.

So yes, I suppose the people have spoken. They have shown themselves unwilling to actually pay attention to anything. They have shown that they'll take ANYTHING as fact so long as its put online or from the mouth of a millionaire.


I dont even like Hillary myself. I dont think she was a strong candidate. But I'm not going to lie to myself and act like Trump's campaign wasn't almost entirely based around making shit up, while Hillary at least tried to stick to a narrative based in reality.

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No, we have known the Russian's interfered for a year now. The question became: Did the government itself fund this (which we recently learned was: yes) and did the republican party support it (and based on the recent NRA scandal, this also seems to be a yes)

I am going to need some references for all these "facts" you keep mentioning. But then again, bear in mind, it's not below intelligence officials to straight up lie. In fact, mister Colin Powell once lied in front of the UN Sec. Council and brandished a vial of flour to make his case stronger, to justify starting a war. If they can lie about it to provoke a war there's really little chance they'd be saying truth about something as pedestrian as collusion (compared to war)

[Dontrike]

Still no proof of that, there's only a strong /belief/ by the intelligence that it might be the case. SO far no direct verifiable evidence, but you'll just continue pushing this conspiracy theory no matter what up until the point Mueller concludes investigation with no result.

Again, do say how it's a conspiracy theory. Also, there's plenty of evidence for it it to be true, the fact you say "proof" is only going to be possible when Mueller shows his hand and Trump is in court testifying.